BeerSmith 2.2 Update Released 26 Nov 13

[day_trippr]

Oginme and Yooper,

Thanks for the feedback. Maybe it's just my system, but let me just get reconfirmation on a clarification if you will. If I click on a recipe ingredient and scroll the ingredients, it's flawless and quick. However, if I click in the recipe 'Name' text box and then use the mouse wheel to scroll the "outer" portion of the recipe (not the ingredients) then I get the slow, stuttery effect. Is this also quick and responsive for you two?

I get this.

Starting from the "My Recipes" folder I can mouse-wheel scroll from top to bottom in a blink.
And from the "My Recipes" folder if I open the "Can You Brew It" add-on folder (for a commonly available example) I can scroll through the recipe list just as quickly.

Then things get interesting. If I open the 8 Wired Stout recipe in the "Can You Brew It" add-on, and single-click on any item in the ingredients list box, that also scrolls like any normally coded Windows application. Otoh, if I select an object outside the ingredients list box (for instance, the text within the Name box) then scroll the window via the mouse wheel, it takes over two seconds for the host window to full scroll from top to bottom, flickering all the way (the worst of the flickering is actually emanating from the ingredients list box).

This is on a truly monstrous machine (3.6ghz 6 core/12 thread Xeon with a Radeon 7990 graphics card and scads of fast everything) that renders damned near anything in less than an instant, but it's clearly gagging on the code for that host window.

Not a show stopper, but there's something weird going on with the code for that page...

Cheers!

[edit] Just for grins I installed my original BS2 v2.0.50 on a Core2 i7 2.8ghz laptop with gaming graphics and the same behavior was there all along. Not sure why I never really noticed it before.
Also noticed on both systems that if you click and hold the window slider you can "scroll" the window almost as quickly as you can shove the mouse - even with the window contents flickering like crazy...

 

[stpug]

Thanks again Yooper and Oginme. It must be something a bit more architecture specific in some folks systems.

Thanks you day_trippr for your response as well. I'm not happy for you, but am glad to know it's not just MY system but perhaps something a bit more specific to... i don't know... maybe hardware. I would be interested in knowing if BS 2.1 also behaves this way for you because my recollection is that it was fine for me. I used 2.0.x for a really short time and it stuttered on me. Then I upgraded to 2.1 and the stutter went away (I'm 95% certain on this). Then the upgrade to 2.2.x brought it back . It's not a huge deal but when I scroll and it stutters, I have to wait it out before the program becomes responsive again which can be mildly annoying. I wonder if it's a wxwidgets implementation issue or maybe just a simple compilation flag (on Brad's end)?

 

[BeerSmith]

Joe,
Is it possible you have the 32 bit version (which is not signed) and are running a new version of OSX (10.8 or 10.9)? If that is the case you might need to hold Ctrl while clicking (or change your system settings) to bypass gatekeeper on the Mac. The 64 bit version is signed, but I can't sign the 32 bit version and still make it compatible with old versions of OSX.

Drop me a note on the Contact Us page at BeerSmith.com if you can't get it resolved.

Brad

So I tried to download the newest version for Mac and something is wrong as it would not let me download newest version as it says I do not haver permission or it is not supported. I also cannot get into my original version. Should I move Beersmith app to Trash and re-download using my original registration key? Will I lose all my recipes and settings?

HELP!!!

 

[buzzny]

Thank you Dr. Beer (Brad) Smith for the update. It seems to update well on my Win7.

 

[mpizzurro]

Hey guys! Has anyone had issues downloading 2.2. Keeps telling me it can't connect to the server ?

 

[BeerSmith]

I just checked the server and all of the download links on the main download page at http://beersmith.com/download-beersmith are active and valid.

If you are having any problems at all with the background/automatic update features I recommend just downloading manually from the link above and updating that way.

Hey guys! Has anyone had issues downloading 2.2. Keeps telling me it can't connect to the server ?

 

[govner1]

So I tried to download the newest version for Mac and something is wrong as it would not let me download newest version as it says I do not haver permission or it is not supported. I also cannot get into my original version. Should I move Beersmith app to Trash and re-download using my original registration key? Will I lose all my recipes and settings? HELP!!!

I downloaded to my Mac without any issues. I did select the option to keep both versions. Just in case, but all my recipes are there. I also created my equipment profile & confirmed those settings.
I've created several new recipes plus printed brew steps for an old recipe. Again, no issues.

 

[unionrdr]

I kept trying to download the 2.2.08 I think it was. Kept giving me an error that seemed start bit related when I tried to save & run. Had to manually save it & then run it,version 2.2.10. Seems to work fine so far & looks better. The recipe page at the bottom of the screen looks like on the beersmith site. Interesting & easier to read.

 

[jflongo]

I just opened mine, and noticed it went from 2.2.08 to 2.2.10. I haven't seen issues in either, it's working just fine for me.

 

[mpizzurro]

I just checked the server and all of the download links on the main download page at http://beersmith.com/download-beersmith are active and valid. If you are having any problems at all with the background/automatic update features I recommend just downloading manually from the link above and updating that way.

Thanks man. I did it straight off their page and got it to work. I appreciate the help.

 

[mpizzurro]

Hey guys! Has anyone had issues downloading 2.2. Keeps telling me it can't connect to the server ?

Thanks for the help. I downloaded it off the main page and it worked.

 

[dipole]

Still won't account for recoverable deadspace in the mashtun. Sigh.

 

[jeremybrown9]

I wasn't able to find it, but are we still not able to change it to Mash Efficiency instead of Brewhouse Efficiency?

 

[BreezyBrew]

Still won't account for recoverable deadspace in the mashtun. Sigh.

What does that mean? Sounds like a contradiction...

 

[terrapinj]

just updated. i like the estimated ibu calculations for steep/whirlpool but the sorting is off for me

it doesn't keep the steep additions in order by time, seems to sort by the name of the hop even thought all ingredients are sorted in order of addition

 

[stpug]

BIG responsiveness improvements from rev10 to rev12 - BIG (for me anyway).

I still have the slowish scrolling of the main recipe window, but it went from really sluggish to just slowish. It's about 2 seconds scrolling wait time instead of like 7-9 seconds. Startup is even quicker. Clicking between folders in 'My Recipes' is much more responsive as well. It "feels" much like I remember 2.1 feeling.

 

[stpug]

Still won't account for recoverable deadspace in the mashtun. Sigh.

Recoverable deadspace = less deadspace.

For instance, if you have 2 quarts of deadspace in your MLT, but you can "recover" 1 quart of that then you only have 1 quart of deadspace in your MLT. You would simply use 1 quart in your equipment profile Lauter Tun Deadspace.

Accounted for!

 

[stpug]

I wasn't able to find it, but are we still not able to change it to Mash Efficiency instead of Brewhouse Efficiency?

If you make your equipment profile losses ZERO then you'll be working with Mash Efficiency (as your Brewhouse Efficiency).

 

[jeremybrown9]

stpug,
Thank you for the reply but I'm not sure I want to do that as it will skew my other numbers. I see where it will give me exactly what I'm looking for, but at the cost of other incorrect readings. Hmmm....

 

[stpug]

stpug,
Thank you for the reply but I'm not sure I want to do that as it will skew my other numbers. I see where it will give me exactly what I'm looking for, but at the cost of other incorrect readings. Hmmm....

I just read a post today asking about "slackspace" which is a serious consideration I haven't come across yet but should be addressed since I can see it affecting many people. Is this what you're up against?

Link : https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f36/slackspace-beersmith-446352/

 

[dipole]

Recoverable deadspace = less deadspace.

For instance, if you have 2 quarts of deadspace in your MLT, but you can "recover" 1 quart of that then you only have 1 quart of deadspace in your MLT. You would simply use 1 quart in your equipment profile Lauter Tun Deadspace.

Accounted for!

No, it's not that simple, I have a gallon and recover all of it. It makes the strike temps and grain ratio screwy.

 

[jeremybrown9]

I just read a post today asking about "slackspace" which is a serious consideration I haven't come across yet but should be addressed since I can see it affecting many people. Is this what you're up against?

Link : https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f36/slackspace-beersmith-446352/

No, that isn't my situation. What I'm trying to do is figure out a way to have BeerSmith tell me what my Mash Efficiency is and let me manipulate it. For example if a certain recipe came up with 60% Mash Efficiency and I wanted to have 70%, I could change 60 to 70 in it's box and then it would automatically change everything else in the recipe for me. Maybe I'm thinking too much into this.

 

[stpug]

No, it's not that simple, I have a gallon and recover all of it. It makes the strike temps and grain ratio screwy.

Are you dealing with the slack space issue mentioned in my previous reply then? If so, it sounds like there's no robust way of dealing with the issue at the present time than to simply "remember" to add your slack space addition to mash, and "remember" to subtract it from your sparge volume.

 

[stpug]

No, that isn't my situation. What I'm trying to do is figure out a way to have BeerSmith tell me what my Mash Efficiency is and let me manipulate it. For example if a certain recipe came up with 60% Mash Efficiency and I wanted to have 70%, I could change 60 to 70 in it's box and then it would automatically change everything else in the recipe for me. Maybe I'm thinking too much into this.

Not as simple as you'd hope for but you should be able to make your mash efficiency your brewhouse by removing your losses (BK for sure, and maybe also MLT).

You can then formulate your recipe at 60% brewhouse efficiency (i.e. mash eff at this point). If you then change your eff to 70, you can see what your estimated OG slider changes to. Now go back to 60 eff, click on the slider, and change the gravity to what 70 eff indicated, hit okay, and the recipe should adjust including hops. It's a clunky way of accomplishing the task - if I understand your needs correctly.

 

[dipole]

Are you dealing with the slack space issue mentioned in my previous reply then? If so, it sounds like there's no robust way of dealing with the issue at the present time than to simply "remember" to add your slack space addition to mash, and "remember" to subtract it from your sparge volume.

Yep. Right now I just adjust my water/grain ratio up to around 1.7 to account for it. It seems to work but I wish there was just an option to edit the mash/sparge volumes directly.

 

[jeremybrown9]

Not as simple as you'd hope for but you should be able to make your mash efficiency your brewhouse by removing your losses (BK for sure, and maybe also MLT). You can then formulate your recipe at 60% brewhouse efficiency (i.e. mash eff at this point). If you then change your eff to 70, you can see what your estimated OG slider changes to. Now go back to 60 eff, click on the slider, and change the gravity to what 70 eff indicated, hit okay, and the recipe should adjust including hops. It's a clunky way of accomplishing the task - if I understand your needs correctly.

That sounds like it might work for me. I'll try it out and let you know. Thanks for your help.

 

[jeremybrown9]

I upgraded my mash tun to a HERMS. So the dead space I had before I could put in zero for that now anyways, right?