Beer tax proposed to curtail teen drinking

[RedOctober]

Legislative Gazette

 

[EdWort]

It's just a money grab. It won't change anything except drive people across the border to buy beer.

 

[Eves]

It's just a money grab. It won't change anything except drive people across the border to buy beer.

Ain't that the truth. I mean cigarettes are like 3-4 times what I paid back when I started smoking. The cost is so outrageous now that I just don't understand how teens would ever start the habit. And yet they do. That tells me that increasing the tax on beer just wont have a much of an impact on teen drinking. Of course, like EdWort said: 'It's just a money grab'. The teen drinking thing is just an excuse for raising taxes.

 

[Homercidal]

Kids will still buy it. They'll find a way to channel this money into some other place eventually. I disagree with the idea that you can throw money at this kind of problem and make it go away. Like Bowie said, " And these children that you spit on as they try to change their worlds are immune to your consultations they're quite aware of what they're going through."

They don't want to hear a bunch of adults preaching to them about the evils of drinking.

 

[EdWort]

It still boils down to poor parenting combined with an idiotic drinking age of 21.

You can vote when you are 18, though clueless. You can die for your country when 18, but you cannot enjoy a cold beer.

Germany lets 16 year olds drink beer and they do not have a problem. It's been like that for decades.

 

[flyangler18]

It still boils down to poor parenting combined with an idiotic drinking age of 21.

You can vote when you are 18, though clueless. You can die for your country when 18, but you cannot enjoy a cold beer.

Germany lets 16 year olds drink beer and they do not have a problem. It's been like that for decades.

AMEN! The drinking age is completely and nonsensically arbitrary.

 

[Saccharomyces]

Nice. I like how it's 25 cents on a 1.75L bottle of booze and 25 cents on a 12 ounce bottle of Budwater. Smart! Somebody should give this guy a dunce cap for Christmas.

 

[daktruckie99]

Considering kids will already overpay like crazy just to have access to it. I think it will just put more money back into the hands of the person buying for the minor.

Sad but true

 

[camiller]

During a similar discussion on a local talk radio show the host opined "I was never richer than when I was a teen ager -- I had a part time job, no rent, no car payment, all my take home pay was mine to spend." A small increase in taxes would not deter a teen and would be more harmful to working class adults.

 

[EdWort]

A small increase in taxes would not deter a teen and would be more harmful to working class adults.

Ah, it's just "Spreading the wealth" you know. The concept is growing in popularity these days.

 

[springer]

It really is a money grab the State of NY will have a deficit of close to 15 billion in the next few years. Think this money will ever make it to the intended agencies for teen alcohol abuse. Damn they want to put a tax on all sodas that are not diet. What a bunch of morons

 

[Benthic]

When will the politicians realize that you can't legislate morality. If teen drinking is a problem, the place to combat that is at the parental level.

Brian

 

[Pivzavod]

Another good reason to home brew. Lets say they do pass this stupid law and as an average drinker you consume 1 12oz bottle of beer per day. Thats 30 bottles a month or an increase of $7.50/month. If you drink 2 beers per day thats $15/month more that you are spending. As long as the beer kit prices dont go up I will be ok.

 

[EdWort]

It really is a money grab the State of NY will have a deficit of close to 15 billion in the next few years.

Make you wonder WTF the money is spent. More stupid programs, more waste, more taxes, all for what. Bull$hit vote buying schemes to stay in power to spend even more money they don't have.

 

[Pelikan]

I was reading not so long ago about a panel of college academics that were getting together in an attempt to lower the drinking age to 18. Their argument was that drinking in college is so rampant among underclassman because of the allure. In other words, once students turn 21, they drink in a controlled bar environment for the most part, and drink less. But when they're under 21, they are much more likely to engage in risky behavior, as the process of obtaining alcohol is, in itself, a risk.

There was a much longer statement of purpose, but the basic point is that some of the country's greatest minds are advocating for an 18 drinking age. It'll probably never happen, but still.

 

[EdWort]

I was reading not so long ago about a panel of college academics that were getting together in an attempt to lower the drinking age to 18. Their argument was that drinking in college is so rampant among underclassman because of the allure. In other words, once students turn 21, they drink in a controlled bar environment for the most part, and drink less. But when they're under 21, they are much more likely to engage in risky behavior, as the process of obtaining alcohol is, in itself, a risk.

I guess that's why 16 year old's can drink in Germany. They can't drive till they are 18, but they too can drink in a controlled environment and get it out of their system before they go to the university.

 

[Homercidal]

We tried to lower it here a few decades back. I guess the drinking problem skyrocketed.

I've also heard that some German exchange students that came here were constantly getting hammered at the local parties FWIW.

My 14 yo has refuse all offers of sampling beer. My 9 yo tasted an IPA I brewed, and will be many years before she tries another beer.

I'm all for allowing younger drinking, but possibly only in the parents home, with supervision. Just allowing kids to buy booze and party is not a great idea. They WILL find a way to party hard and continue to do stupid things. At least if they are allowed to partake with supervision, then they can see that there isn't some magical transformation that happens when you party.

Just watched Superbad last night again. Funny show, but come on. Buying booze was never that hard for me!

 

[Pelikan]

We tried to lower it here a few decades back. I guess the drinking problem skyrocketed.

Did it, or is that just supposition? I'm guessing pressure from parent-groups got it raised.

Just watched Superbad last night again. Funny show, but come on. Buying booze was never that hard for me!

Getting alcohol is much, much harder for kids these days than it was 20 or 30 years ago. It wasn't that long ago when I was underage, and getting booze really was a task. It got easier and easier the closer I got to 21, but still a PITA any way you look at it.

The funny thing is, I drank waaaay more underage. Indeed, I drank more my freshman year of college than I have in all the subsequent years put together.

 

[Evan!]

Well, I think we all knew that one kid at college whose parents had a zero-tolerance policy in high school. Once they got to college, you had two life-changing events coincide for a perfect storm: lack of parental supervision, and exposure to massive amounts of alcohol consumption. These are the kids who typically ended up smashed beyond recognition all the time, and unable to control themselves---thus becoming a danger to themselves and people around them. Now, this isn't a hard and fast rule, but I saw it too much to think it's just a coincidence. I'm sorry, but sending your child out into the world on their own with no experience with the substance that is going to be a huge part of their life for the next 4 years, is just idiotic. And no amount of dorkus malorkus after school specials is a substitute for a good old fashioned "chug a mad dog and then puke in the bushes" learning experience.

Just watched Superbad last night again. Funny show, but come on. Buying booze was never that hard for me!

Ah, it wasn't easy either. Of course, you're a decade older than me, so maybe it was easier in the 80's. I mean, after the authorities shut down the Arabs' corner store where we used to get our bum wine, we had to resort to getting this funny short black dude who worked in the mc'd's drive-thru with my friend (and who was one of those black guys who thought they were the next Keith Sweat and sang R&B everywhere all the time, but I digress) to go into the ABC store to get us booze. Of course, I don't know where you grew up either. Here, you can only get distilled spirits from a state-run Alcoholic Beverage Control store, where they are very strict and demand 2 ID's if you look under 40.

 

[Orangevango]

Im 22 and Ive been drinking since I was 16, There were very few times that I wanted to buy beer that I was unable to find someone to buy it for me. I am strongly opposed to such high drinking ages, criminalizing something so wonderful is a crying shame.

 

[Homercidal]

Well, I grew up in a small town in the middle of the lower peninsula. To get beer, you just ask any number of young adults who you knew would buy. I never bought hard liquor, but beer was purchased at the same place: corner store.

Lots of kids had parents who bought for them and their friends too.

On Friday and Saturday nights, if you wanted to drink, you just had to get someone to drive you to the party. There are a few places where parties happened. Why the local law enforcement didn't go out there and investigate, I'll never know.

After seeing a couple of these parties first hand, I wonder why the preg rate was not much higher! Now I was never one to go partying, but I always knew what was going on, and who was doing it.

Looking back, I see it was all a big waste of time for us. Lots of kids were excited all week to get out and get drunk. I'm going to get so drunk!! WTF? Even back then I didn't see the reason, or the enticement.

Now, drunk girls, who would do lots of things you only dreamed about... That was a different story. Good thing I was too chicken to do anything with them!

 

[Homercidal]

Did it, or is that just supposition? I'm guessing pressure from parent-groups got it raised.

Frankly, I'll never know. The explanation I got came from my friend's older sister, who was able to drink at 18, but lost it again before she turned 21. I took her word for it since she would have no reason to tell me a different story. Where she got her info from, I don't know. Could have been newspapers I guess.

I'm not sure what the law is regarding giving beer to your own underage kids.

 

[Panzermann]

HaHa!

America always attempts the most ignorant **** known to mankind. LMAO @ thinking a Beer tax is going to curtail teen drinking. haha

Just like prohibition stopped alcohol consumption, the ware on drugs has taken drugs off our streets.

Bwahahahahaha!


Very amusing to say the least...

 

[Pelikan]

HaHa!

America always attempts the most ignorant **** known to mankind. LMAO @ thinking a Beer tax is going to curtail teen drinking. haha

Just like prohibition stopped alcohol consumption, the ware on drugs has taken drugs off our streets.

Bwahahahahaha!


Very amusing to say the least...

Heh, is it really that funny? Kinda sad, almost. Speaks to our grip on reality, at the national level (tenuous at best, in other words).

Regarding ignorance, America is up there, but Deutschland has pulled some whoppers in its time...

 

[Evan!]

The war on booze and the war on drugs have claimed many otherwise innocent people in their quests to protect people from themselves. I don't find it amusing in the least. There's nothing humorous about this man spending the rest of his life in prison because the gubmint doesn't like people getting medication for their chronic pain.

 

[RedOctober]

Guys please I love to rant (more than most actually) but please don't miss the real issue here.
As previous posters have already said, this is nothing more than a ploy to put the government hand in your pocket.

I'm sure these politicans do not believe that this will help any problems other than revenue issues.

If teenagers getting drunk and doing crazy/bad stuff would help them stay in office than they would find a way to start a government sponsored Octoberfest!

Free Beer yall, woohoo!~!!

 

[Evan!]

Guys please I love to rant (more than most actually) but please don't miss the real issue here.
As previous posters have already said, this is nothing more than a ploy to put the government hand in your pocket.

I'm sure these politicans do not believe that this will help any problems other than revenue issues.

If teenagers getting drunk and doing crazy/bad stuff would help them stay in office than they would find a way to start a government sponsored Octoberfest!

Free Beer yall, woohoo!~!!

But that's just it---the real issue is the "real issue" because we as a people still harbor this fear/aversion to booze---latent prohibitionism if you will---which means that politicians are able to get away with nearly anything when it comes to demonizing alcohol.

 

[GLWIII]

This has nothing to do with saving the children or legislating morality. It has everything to do with raising revenue. This is NY after all where figuring out ways to raise revenue has been turned in to an art form.

 

[ohiobrewtus]

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HA! Good to see that someone else has 'Super (mentally challenged) Ninja' in their avatar arsenal. :rockin:

 

[Panzermann]

Of course it is to nickel and dime everyone, its just funny the pathetic guises they utilise to do so. "It's for the children" lol...anytime you hear that..it is time to stop and look into the issue more because more thank likely it is complete BS!

Funny how Europe has allowed minors to drink beer, marijuana is legal in Amsterdam...how come they aren't going around mass murdering everyone or why isn't the death and violence caused by alcohol bringing the nations down?

I'm just saying America does not have a grip on reality. War on Drugs, Alcohol Laws, Tobbaco is legal although it kills millions (lol)...all this is a joke. The bottom line is we have morons raising morons, that is a bigger problem then retarded legislation.