Beer T.V.Show "Rules of engagement" Gives bad image of homebrewers.

[redraider629]

+1 to that! Like I said earlier, the only "network tv" (ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC) I watch (actually, DVR and watch later) is NBC Thursday night. I would much rather catch the Discovery chan, Travel, Science, Food...you know, stuff that somewhat helps the mind. I do enough of the mind "hurting" with all the beer I drink!

I am getting hooked on Man vs. Food.

 

[the_merlin]

I could see an episode of the show re-done where the all-grain brewers didn't want to go to a party where there would be extract brew.

 

[redraider629]

I could see an episode of the show re-done where the all-grain brewers didn't want to go to a party where there would be extract brew.

Or a homebrewer is going to a party that just serves bud light, and he can say "all they have to drink is swill, you would think Anhueser Busch would know how to make a good beer."

 

[Stef1966]

I think it's a lot like many other things people do by themselves.

I will take music for example, im a guitarist that has been playing and composing for over 20 years now, never wanted to make it a professional occupation because i do not enjoy the lifestyle of a musician on the road, but it does not mean i do not take my music seriously.
I do record and put some of my stuff on myspace and such because i just want to share it freely.
I could not envision my life without making music.

Well i think my music and the one of most unknown artists is by far better or at least equally nice as most crappy commercial stuff we get to hear on the radio, still, most people will usually not recognize your talent unless you're a known artist playing on the radio.

That can apply to cooking, dancing, painting, singing, wood crafting and millions of other things, many people do not realize that popularity or celebrity is not a way to gauge talent or quality of a craft.

 

[RCCOLA]

Anyone watch Anthony Bordain?I watch and see all the spicy and interesting foods he tries in other countries and it makes all our food seem rather bland.Makes me wonder if thats why most americans like bland watery beer.Our tastebuds have been conditioned down into non-existence.

 

[Gumbys_Brew]

I agree 100% formaly being in the music industry myself being a performer and a recording engineer you learn that most of the mainstream bands have hardly any talent and are a pain to work with in the studio just to even get them to sound half way decent

I think it's a lot like many other things people do by themselves.

I will take music for example, im a guitarist that has been playing and composing for over 20 years now, never wanted to make it a professional occupation because i do not enjoy the lifestyle of a musician on the road, but it does not mean i do not take my music seriously.
I do record and put some of my stuff on myspace and such because i just want to share it freely.
I could not envision my life without making music.

Well i think my music and the one of most unknown artists is by far better or at least equally nice as most crappy commercial stuff we get to hear on the radio, still, most people will usually not recognize your talent unless you're a known artist playing on the radio.

That can apply to cooking, dancing, painting, singing, wood crafting and millions of other things, many people do not realize that popularity or celebrity is not a way to gauge talent or quality of a craft.

 

[jgln]

I think it's a lot like many other things people do by themselves.

I will take music for example, im a guitarist that has been playing and composing for over 20 years now, never wanted to make it a professional occupation because i do not enjoy the lifestyle of a musician on the road, but it does not mean i do not take my music seriously.
I do record and put some of my stuff on myspace and such because i just want to share it freely.
I could not envision my life without making music.

Well i think my music and the one of most unknown artists is by far better or at least equally nice as most crappy commercial stuff we get to hear on the radio, still, most people will usually not recognize your talent unless you're a known artist playing on the radio.

That can apply to cooking, dancing, painting, singing, wood crafting and millions of other things, many people do not realize that popularity or celebrity is not a way to gauge talent or quality of a craft.

True. For example; Sammy Hagar's tequila, the guy from Offspring's hot sauce, on and on. I make some pretty good hot sauces but I am sure I could not sell them as well as him and same would go for the tequila. Well first off I would need his money to buy an agave farm and distillery, but even then I could not sell it like he has. Not saying it is not good, maybe overpriced. Could I sell overpriced tequila with my name? No way.

 

[jgln]

Anyone watch Anthony Bordain?I watch and see all the spicy and interesting foods he tries in other countries and it makes all our food seem rather bland.Makes me wonder if thats why most americans like bland watery beer.Our tastebuds have been conditioned down into non-existence.

Yes, I like his shows.

 

[IrregularPulse]

I've only seen this show once and it was this episode. I didn't get mad. The guy made it in his bath tub, so calling is ass beer was okay. I took it as the emphasis on it being bad because it was made in his tub, not because it was homebrew.
But I have noticed on a lot of other shows they do have the characters drinking craft brews. maybe not something recognizeable by label, but it's not always just clear beer in their glasses anymore! That's good to see.

 

[RCCOLA]

Yes, I like his shows.

One of his many asshatted statements stuck in my head and I have to use it when describing something stinky.Quote- (Anthony when describing sulfurous gas coming from hot springs.)"It smells like if you were nibbling week old egg-salad off of someones' taint":fro:Hilarious!

 

[jgln]

One of his many asshatted statements stuck in my head and I have to use it when describing something stinky.Quote- (Anthony when describing sulfurous gas coming from hot springs.)"It smells like if you were nibbling week old egg-salad off of someones' taint":fro:Hilarious!

I think any travel host that gets lit on his show is cool to me.

 

[svudah]

++ No Reservations rocks, makes me wish I still had television.

If you want to watch a hilarious tv reference to homebrew/microbrewing find "The Gang Solves the North Korea Situation" episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. I promise, you won't be disapointed.

 

[Baldy_Beer_Brewery]

95% of homebrew pushed off on friends probably is raspberry ass beer.

And I'm betting that in the office of the writing staff or producers there is a homebrewer that they were making light of.

I find the fact that people have got up in arms over this funnier than anything that comes out of David Spade's mouth.

 

[jgln]

And I'm betting that in the office of the writing staff or producers there is a homebrewer that they were making light of.

I find the fact that people have got up in arms over this funnier than anything that comes out of David Spade's mouth.

I was thinking about this again. The only other option the writers had was to pick something else to make fun of. I mean how funny would it have been if they said "I don't want to go to that party but I will miss the home brewed beer they make, that stuff is really good! You know we should start brewing our own too!" Wouldn't be long before the writers got fired or the show canceled. I am honored the picked home brewing to bust on.

Now if it were a documentary about Budweiser and they said "Home brewers just can't match the quality we can here in our breweries" then maybe then I would take offense.

 

[rico567]

Watched this show last night and the main macho character tries to get out of going to a party b/c one of the people coming is bringing his"bathtub homebrewed beer" followed by references to "ass beer"and "hair in my beer"and"This guy doesn't think the major brewing companies know how to do it right?"They top it off by the 2'ndary character saying"You've gotta come,now he's putting fruit in his beer--He's bringing a raspberry beer"
When will the ignorance end?I think most people would be shocked if they knew the extremes we went to in order to provide sanitary conditions for our beermaking.

And of course eeeeeeeverything else on TV is portrayed in a realistic manner, right? All the CSI shows on TV are beginning to warp the jury system, because a lot of jurors believe all the technology shown on those shows is real and/or works. I could go on, but we only have 12 billion years or so before the sun expands.

 

[Stef1966]

Who gives a crap about TV anyways?

I dont listen to TV very much, more into music, listening to CD's of my favorite bands and myself ( i compose and play music).

TV has always seemed like huge crap to me since youth, and it haven't changed since then.

I got a DvD player, i listen to movies and concerts without TV adds popping out every 45 seconds... that fills my need for entertainment.

Whats going on today on TV?
...hummm... i honestly couldn't say really...

Do i give a crap about it?
...huuu... lemme guess...

 

[jgln]

Who gives a crap about TV anyways?

I dont listen to TV very much, more into music, listening to CD's of my favorite bands and myself ( i compose and play music).

TV has always seemed like huge crap to me since youth, and it haven't changed since then.

I got a DvD player, i listen to movies and concerts without TV adds popping out every 45 seconds... that fills my need for entertainment.

Whats going on today on TV?
...hummm... i honestly couldn't say really...

Do i give a crap about it?
...huuu... lemme guess...

That is ok if you get your entertainment elsewhere, but TV has a lot more than entertainment. There is news, documentaries, biographies, political disscussions, travel shows about places I would probably never see or learn about if not for TV, and music too. Sometime documentaries on music with interviews with artists. You can learn about hobbies and learn about things you never even thought was out there. So, so much more than what I think you would call dumb sitcoms. I don't see all TV as useless crap at all.

 

[Stef1966]

That is ok if you get your entertainment elsewhere, but TV has a lot more than entertainment. There is news, documentaries, biographies, political disscussions, travel shows about places I would probably never see or learn about if not for TV, and music too. Sometime documentaries on music with interviews with artists. You can learn about hobbies and learn about things you never even thought was out there. So, so much more than what I think you would call dumb sitcoms. I don't see all TV as useless crap at all.

I get all this and more from the Internet... Youtube, myspace (real life musicians), online news and such...
The only downside thing to all of this... i get to choose what i wanna know about, and when i wanna know about it... one thing i might miss is the huge add blasting though... life is so hard without a dumb TV mind controlling tube cannon set.

 

[jgln]

I get all this and more from the Internet... Youtube and such...
The only downside thing to all of this... i get to choose what i wanna know about, and when i wanna know about it... life is so hard.

So you can watch the History Channel on the internet? I did not know that.

 

[Stef1966]

So you can watch the History Channel on the internet? I did not know that.

Everything can be found on the Internet, you just gotta know how to operate a computer though...
That can indeed be a culprit, cause about 80% of the people owning a computer today dont know **** about how it works and how powerful it can be when you get to know how to really use it.
Sorry if you are not one of the few.

 

[jgln]

Everything can be found on the Internet, you just gotta know how to operate a computer though...
That can indeed be a culprit, cause about 80% of the people owning a computer today dont know **** about how it works and how powerful it can be when you get to know how to really use it.
Sorry if you are not one of the few.

I know how to use a computer but that was halarious. I just went to the History Channel online and called up a clip about Truman and I had to watch an M&M commercial before they played the clip.

They are coming to get you know matter where you go to hide!

 

[jgln]

I have to go now before you trash the History Channel. Take care!

 

[Stef1966]

Geejus... internet forums are pathetic sometimes...

One individual will say "white", one other will quickly jump in to say "Black" then a couple of people will state they are going for the "Grey" zone...

Every forum thread is always the same... different people bring different points of views... just shows the human nature in all things.

My main point right there was to point out that the Internet is what i do prefer, i can seek the information i want about the subject i want when i want it and i always find it somewhere, while TV force feeds me with adds and biased point of views depending on the station's side of interrests on things.

Global peace on Earth is a total utopia, when you cant get a small crowd of people agreeing on most basic things, how can you expect a whole planet to be able to get along.

 

[BlackDogBrewing]

I saw it and tought it was funny... I do agree that the general public often has the impression of "ass beer" that is filtered through a hair trap, but I still found it funny...
SWMBO loves the show, so I always watch with her...

 

[jgln]

Geejus... internet forums are pathetic sometimes...

One individual will say "white", one other will quickly jump in to say "Black" then a couple of people will state they are going for the "Grey" zone...

Every forum thread is always the same... different people bring different points of views... just shows the human nature in all things.

My main point right there was to point out that the Internet is what i do prefer, i can seek the information i want about the subject i want when i want it and i always find it somewhere, while TV force feeds me with adds and biased point of views depending on the station's side of interrests on things.

Global peace on Earth is a total utopia, when you cant get a small crowd of people agreeing on most basic things, how can you expect a whole planet to be able to get along.

But you said way more than that, you said this too.

TV has always seemed like huge crap to me since youth, and it haven't changed since then.

I was defending TV as not being "like huge crap" and attempted to point out the good stuff on it. You then brought into the discussion commercials and your ability to watch what you want when you want instead of telling me you still think TV is "huge crap". You began to change your attack on TV.

Look, I LOVE the internet and that is usually where I go when I am looking for an answer to a specific question or doing research. I also LOVE TV because it entertains me and I also learn things from it. I disagree that TV is "like huge crap" that is all. TV submits subjects for my approval which I like; the internet more asks you what you want. But if you don't know it is out there how do you know to ask for it?
For example: TV could present to me a show about a giant worm that lives at the bottom of the sea and I like it and learn something from it. To get that from the internet I first have to ask to see it but if I don't think about it I may never have known to ask about it. Sure the internet presents you things too but to call TV crap, I disagree.

 

[Homercidal]

Well, I like the analogy between home cooking and restaurants. That is a very accurate thing. Making beer is not more difficult than making some foods, and the sooner everyone realizes that fact, the faster people will take our Hobby seriously.

I mean, sure lots of people make some nasty beer the first time, but lots of people burn their hot dogs the first time too, Or dry out their first turkey, or don't cook it until it's done.

And, Sammy's tequila is not bad. Take this from a guy who doesn't drink strong liquor. The cheaper stuff is just ok, IMO, but a friend brought the top of the line stuff too and the difference was very apparent to me. I'd still rather drink beer by far, but I could drink the good stuff. Of course I have no way of comparing to other tequilas, but I believe that Cabo Wabo some some awards too. So maybe it's a case of smaller producer making better stuff, like a craft distiller?

I miss Drew Carey too. I loved the episode where they got an aphrodisiac in the beer and all of the funny ways they were using to get off!

 

[Stef1966]

TV could present to me a show about a giant worm that lives at the bottom of the sea and I like it and learn something from it. To get that from the internet I first have to ask to see it but if I don't think about it I may never have known to ask about it. Sure the internet presents you things too but to call TV crap, I disagree.

I agree, but then around here, to be presented such a thing, one would have to get Cable TV, which i don't, i only took the cable for the Internet cause this is where my interests are.

I would love to have the Discovery Channel, science channel and such, but i dont.
All im getting are 5 local stations that are filled with stupid adds popping up every 5 minutes, this tends to get on my nerves if i want to watch something and im told i should buy this kind of yogurt or car or that this insurance company is way better than the one i have now...

Hey even Hockey has moved to cable TV exclusively round here, in a Country where Hockey is like Baseball to Americans, i cant get a freakin game for free on TV anymore...

TV has it's place, but i think the really interesting content has all moved to specialty "cable available only" channels.

 

[jgln]

I agree, but then around here, to be presented such a thing, one would have to get Cable TV, which i don't, i only took the cable for the Internet cause this is where my interests are.

I would love to have the Discovery Channel, science channel and such, but i dont.
All im getting are 5 stations that are filled with stupid adds popping up every 5 minutes, this tends to get on my nerves if i want to watch something and im told i should buy this kind of yogurt or car or that this insurance company is way better than the one i have now...

TV has it's place, but i think the really interesting content has all moved to specialty "cable available only" channels.

Wow, that was a big turn around and if you only have the basic channels then that explains your description of it being mostly crap. PBS is good though IMO.

I guess this discussion is over and I am glad we are dropping it on a positive note. Take care and maybe one day you will be able to upgrade and see not all TV is total crap.

Take care!

 

[Yambor44]

IMDb Video: Rules of Engagement - Big Fat Lie

 

[Stef1966]

Thanks, re-reading myself i felt like i needed to explain why i had tied my panties in such a notch over TV.

note to self: "Dont write on the forums after having more than 3 brew"