Beer SNOBBERY(where do I get my card?)/DIPA

[luvhopps]

You'll be shocked to learn that most IPA is indeed not brewed for consumption in India.

No, It's brewed for consumption in Indiana.:rockin:

 

[KayaBrew]

F*cking semantics.

Are we really arguing about this?

IT'S BEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[mitch171]

I am just going to throw this out there to add more confusion.

Many of you may already know this also.

The true/origional IPA as it was intended/why it was created was probably closer to what we call IIPA/DIPA. (Loving the use of /'s?)

The purpose was to creat a beer that could withstand/be ready to drink by the time ships got to or were ready to leave India after traveling from England. Higher ABV. and higher BTU ensured the beer would not spoil in the heat and long travel time. Also by the time most of it would be drank the hops may have become less bitter than how we drink it now. The lower bitterness would be caused by the time and heat aging the beer.

 

[Handle]

Where did cheezydemon3 run off to?

I notice he never offered a rebuttal when someone pointed out his error in the other thread three weeks ago.

 

[C2H5OH]

And if made by Apple Computers...

iIPA​

 

[scrambledegg81]

Boooooo....


10char

 

[C2H5OH]

...Brew or go to bed.

 

[brewmonk]

If it's such an "extreme," 'envelope-pushing' beverage, then call i t"

XIPA!

ever hear of an extreme imperial mild (alluded to previously)?
if not, order a XIMA!!!!!

 

[Berock]

I don't care what its called but I had a guy at a liquor store tell me they were different beers. Two different names leads to confusion. The beer industry should standardize the names. Probably needs a six sigma initiative.

 

[scrambledegg81]

...Brew or go to bed.

Hey, I've been on vacation dammit.

 

[david_42]

what's next, an Imperial Mild?

This would be a retro beer. Prior to the 1880s, Milds ran 1.075 and up.

 

[passedpawn]

Thread retread. Not even that old.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f14/double-ipa-versus-imperial-ipa-151535/#post1736397

 

[cheezydemon3]

I'm a noob among snobs myself, but I'm pretty sure "double" is synonymous with "Imperial."

This is what the BJCP has to say about it all:



http://www.bjcp.org/2008styles/style14.php#1c

Double is so literal. What if the recipe is 97% more hops, 78% more malt?

I had to do a double take of this thread... I thought my post was deleted, but then I realized, you made a separate thread out of your whining in another post...

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f13/dipa-hop-schedule-147341/

Your latest pet peeve is over 3 weeks old.. get over it...

You even used the same tired ass diaper "joke" from your last post.

<edit>Handle pasted the same thing I pasted in my original post in the other thread.. sorry, didn't see you posting that</edit>

I still see DIPA all over the place. I am just wanting to discuss and educate. Get over it.

Okay. Really, who gives a rats ass. Say it how you want.

i would want the opportunity to think about it, maybe some have never seen any explanation.

Fine, you ARE wrong. As has been pointed out, "Imperial" is an even more arbitrary label than "Double", taken simply from the fact that an Imperial Stout is a big stout. There is no such thing as a traditional Imperial IPA, it's a modern invention without a clear established name, so calling it "Double" is perfectly correct.

Really, you need to get over yourself.

OH So it is exactly twice the hops and twice the malt? LOL. I have been over it, where the heck are you?

While we are at it, how about a beer labeled Black IPA? There are a few I've ran into.

A black, pale ale? Just doesn't seem right. Why not IDA (India Dark Ale)?

I have a thread on that too.

Sorry to all of those I offended. I assume you all use the term and are upset about being called out. I just wanted to discuss it.

 

[Scimmia]

OH So it is exactly twice the hops and twice the malt? LOL. I have been over it, where the heck are you?

Read passedpawn's last post in the thread he linked to. With that in mind, "Double" is going to be more traditionally appropriate than "Imperial".

Saying that calling it Double means it has to have exactly twice the malt and hops is beyond laughable. If that's the position you're taking, it's not even worth really not even worth discussing. Are you going to be whining about dopplebocks next?

 

[cheezydemon3]

Read passedpawn's last post in the thread he linked to. With that in mind, "Double" is going to be more traditionally appropriate than "Imperial".

Saying that calling it Double means it has to have exactly twice the malt and hops is beyond laughable. If that's the position you're taking, it's not even worth really not even worth discussing. Are you going to be whining about dopplebocks next?

No but anyone who brews a dubbell can go to hell.......KIDDING.

My humor does not translate in some cases, in some cases, people here are devoid of a sense of humor.

DOUBLE is quantifiable. Ask a 4 year old. Double 4 and you get 8.


My belief is not that Imperial is OK or historically viable.

I am just saying that the DOUBLE referred originally to the "II".

If I brewed a pale ale with double everything, I would not call it a double pale ale.

It is a barleywine or an imperial pale ale to me.

 

[motobrewer]

If I brewed a pale ale with double everything, I would not call it a double pale ale.

why the f**k not? how does calling it "imperial" make more sense? that is the dumbest thing i've ever heard.

i didn't know you were personally in charge of deciding naming monikers for beer styles.

 

[janzik]

I am just saying that the DOUBLE referred originally to the "II".

Source one publication that says the DOUBLE refers to 2 letter I's being back to back.

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BJCP states that Double is an adjective that is describing the IPA, not the quantity of I's

[History: A recent American innovation reflecting the trend of American craft brewers &#8220;pushing the envelope&#8221; to satisfy the need of hop aficionados for increasingly intense products. The adjective &#8220;Imperial&#8221; is arbitrary and simply implies a stronger version of an IPA; &#8220;double,&#8221; &#8220;extra,&#8221; &#8220;extreme,&#8221; or any other variety of adjectives would be equally valid.]

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Two Brothers Hop Juice calls their beer a Double India Pale Ale.
http://www.beeraday.net/beer/two-brothers-hop-juice-dipa/

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Great Divide's Hercules is called a Double IPA with "India Pale Ale" on the label and no mention of Imperial.

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Heavy Sea's Big DIPA has "Double India Pale Ale" on the label
http://***********.com/beer-reviews/review-heavy-seas-big-dipa
I don't know why The Full Pint is censored....

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Beer Advocate's take on it is as follows:
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/style/140
[Take an India Pale Ale and feed it steroids, ergo the term Double IPA. Although open to the same interpretation as its sister styles, you should expect something robust, malty, alcoholic and with a hop profile that might rip your tongue out. The Imperial usage comes from Russian Imperial stout, a style of strong stout originally brewed in England for the Russian Imperial Court of the late 1700s; though Double IPA is often the preferred name.
]

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None of these guys refer to the Double as a Double I, P, A. The closest thing to a standard is what BJCP calls it and even in their own literature, they don't even really appear to give to much of a **** that the adjective Double (plus others) are used.

Actually, Rogue does have their I2PA... which I guess is I squared...

 

[passedpawn]

I am just saying that the DOUBLE referred originally to the "II".

Well, if that is all you are saying, then you need to accept that you are wrong. The II thing would be a plausible guess (if one had to guess), but facts don't back it up. Double refers to ingredients, not letters.

I can't see how there is anything else to say here (if that was all you were saying).

 

[cheezydemon3]

Just because a bunch of people say "irregardless" doesn't make it a word.

Those of you who are pissed over this make me laugh!

 

[janzik]

Just because a bunch of people say "irregardless" doesn't make it a word.

Those of you who are pissed over this make me laugh!

Jumping Jesus on a God Damn Pogo Stick. You must be a troll.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless

Main Entry: ir·re·gard·less
Pronunciation: \&#716;ir-i-&#712;gärd-l&#601;s\
Function: adverb
Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless
Date: circa 1912

nonstandard : regardless
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that &#8220;there is no such word.&#8221; There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.

So Merriam Webster says it's a word, but regardless is a better word, because it is used more often...

 

[passedpawn]

Just because a bunch of people say "irregardless" doesn't make it a word.

Those of you who are pissed over this make me laugh!

You are probably the only one overly passionate about this. I am guessing that many of the responders, like me, are just killing time waiting for a boil to finish. Oatmeal stout, baby. Double.

 

[janzik]

You are probably the only one overly passionate about this. I am guessing that many of the responders, like me, are just killing time waiting for a boil to finish. Oatmeal stout, baby. Double.

I'm not boiling, unfortunately, but irregardless, this has been fun.

 

[gxm]

While we are at it, how about a beer labeled Black IPA? There are a few I've ran into.

A black, pale ale? Just doesn't seem right. Why not IDA (India Dark Ale)?

The Germans have got you beat here. A Dunkel Weissbier is a "Dark White Beer" - http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/84/1257

 

[NCBeernut]

First. In my book snob generally equates to ass hat who thinks he knows more about beer than he/she actually does. See my blog for my feelings about beer snobbery and how it makes you look like an idiot every time.

Second. What is an Imperial beer? Why is it imperial? If you are talking about Imperial IPA, why is that imperial? What is Imperial about a beer style created on the west coast of the US?



Is IIPA taking over the beer world? Was it commissioned by an Emperor, Empress, etc? Is California and Empire?

No. Russian Imperial stout was a style made specifically for the Emperor, or Czar, of Russia, and for a time truly was an imperial beer. Because that beer was a bigger version of a stout, people started associating imperial with any big style of a regular beer. Hence, IIPA. It is completely arbitrary. ... Just like a DIPA. In fact, I think double makes 100% more sense because it at lease suggests the beer is bigger or double the original style of beer. While it does not mean it is literally twice the hops etc. at least it shows the meaning and intention of the beer.

Or maybe a beer dead set on the subservience of other beers makes more sense...

Either way, beer snobs rile my feathers.

Creepy. You literally took the words right out of my mouth.

+100

 

[Willy Boner]

You people are AAAAAAAAAAAAA ANAL!!!!!!!

 

[Handle]

Creepy. You literally took the words right out of my mouth.

+100

Really?

Don't even get me started on the misuse of the word "literally."

Forgive me if you're kidding.

 

[C2H5OH]

Imperial D, or double D?​

I vote Imperial!!!​

 

[luvhopps]

I vote IPA squared. How's that?

 

[C2H5OH]

I vote IPA squared. How's that?

...or

2(I)+PA=Yum​

 

[cheezydemon3]

OK bretheren. I love you all as brothers....and as such.....

IF ANY ONE OF YOU BREWED A BEER. THEN SAID THE NEXT TIME THAT YOU DOUBLED IT.......IT BETTER BE 10 GALLONS FROM A 5 GALLON RECIPE, OR......10 OZ OF HOPS WHEN THE ORIGINAL WAS 5, ETC....

ANY DEUCHE WHO SAYS HE "DOUBLED" HIS 5 GALLON RECIPE BY BREWING 7 GALLONS...


ARE YOU ALL SERIOUS???? SOME OF THIS IS SCIENCE!!!! DOUBLE CAN MEAN 75% MORE???????

COME ON!!!!!!!

It is not a matter of right and wrong. "Double your hops for this IPA" does not mean ADD ANY AMOUNT MORE YOU CHOOSE!!!!!