American Pale Ale Bee Cave Brewery Haus Pale Ale

[hio3791]

I agree that it's not normal. I have a batch made on 17-Sept (about 3 months) that is great or better than at two months.

The problem is that you need to drink the beer faster! :cross:

I brewed 10 gal in Aug and another 10 in Oct. All 20 gal are gone! This beer is delicious!

 

[hio3791]

Brewed my frist all grain Hause Pale Ale in my recently completed HERMS system yesterday.

Everything went really well, but I have a few questions if anyone can help me.

1) The dough-in water specified is 11 liters. When I put 11 liters into the grains it barely made the the grains damp - landed up with about 16 liters.

2) My OG came out at 1,059, not the 1.050 as per recipe. This seems a little high ? Maybe I miss measured the grains which could explain the extra dough - in water required as well as the higher OG.

3) Finally, when it came to aerating the wort, the aquarium pump would not work so I shook the fermenter quite violently for about 5 minutes. Can I re-aerate the wort with a new aeration pu

mp tonight or will this result in off flavours ? It is bubbling away quite nicely as we speak but I'm scared that it will use up all the available oxygen too quickly and spot fermenting.

Any comment much appreciated.

Being your first AG on a new setup, you have a lot of variables that are difficult to determine. You will figure these variables out as you get a few more brews on your system.

1. Water - Could be system dependent. You can run the math but at the end of the day, your system is different than mine so our water additions will differ. 5 liters is a bit much of a difference though but I am not familiar with your MT so not enough information to fully answer. Could it be inaccurate volume measurements?

2. Efficiency - This is your first AG and you ended up 9 pts higher. Could be that you got great efficiency or perhaps your numbers were off (volumes and/or grains).

3. Aeration - Once yeast is pitched, do not re-aerate. You should be fine. I used to do the violent shake thing and never had problems.

Your beer should be fine so relax. Besides, your first AG was on a HERMS, you are already way ahead of me!

You got a lot going on for your first AG! It took me a while just to get water volumes down!

 

[PaulD428]

Brewed my first all grain version of this with a few differences:

Undershot the OG (was at about 1.046)
Single-hopped with Nelson Sauvin instead of cascade
S-05 instead of Notty

It tasted fairly light, and didn't have a ton of character (I figure I'll try it again with a higher gravity and see what happens now what I'm more familiar with my system). The nice thing was there wasn't a lot getting in the way of the NS hop flavor, which tasted fantastic. Will not argue with the quaffable statement.

Thanks for the recipe, Ed. I'm definitely interested in tinkering with this to make it a year-round brew at my place.

 

[LAbrewer]

SG - 1.050
FG - 1.012

It was drinkable but bland..

That's strange. I wonder if ferment temps may have caused that.

 

[scottvin]

That's strange. I wonder if ferment temps may have caused that.

Well, when I first had the bottled beer (about three weeks after bottling) - the hop flavor/aroma was very good.

It is very strange...

 

[Wheelspin]

Thanks for comment HIO3791

It's on it's 3rd day now and bubbling every ± 25 seconds, so am hopeful.

 

[Rahahb]

Thanks for the recipe. I'm brewing this right meow! 12/12/12.

 

[andycr]

Went into bottles Sunday, tasting good from the hydrometer sample. Can't wait for this one to carb up.

 

[zilch]

Well, when I first had the bottled beer (about three weeks after bottling) - the hop flavor/aroma was very good.

It is very strange...

Did you keep the hop schedule the same as the recipe? Were you able to chill the wort or did you let it sit overnight to cool?

Or... Do you have a cold or allergies? My allergies flare up from time to time and I find my sense of smell to degrade quite a bit during that time.

 

[scottvin]

Did you keep the hop schedule the same as the recipe? Were you able to chill the wort or did you let it sit overnight to cool?

Or... Do you have a cold or allergies? My allergies flare up from time to time and I find my sense of smell to degrade quite a bit during that time.

I used the recipe exactly as listed on the first page.
I chilled the wort with a plate chiller.

I do not have a cold or allergies.. it's very weird because when I first opened the beer, the aroma and flavor was great.

 

[LAbrewer]

I used the recipe exactly as listed on the first page.
I chilled the wort with a plate chiller.

I do not have a cold or allergies.. it's very weird because when I first opened the beer, the aroma and flavor was great.

The only thing that comes to mind other than high storage temps is your water supply maybe tainted it?

 

[bfinleyui]

Doing this tonight as my first BIAB batch, a partial volume boil. Using a little more hops (1oz at 30m instead of .5) to compensate for the smaller boil, but otherwise, right on with the recipe, EXCEPT... I accidentally bought 20L instead of 10L.

Worth making a trip across town, or just go with the 20L? Guessing the 20 will be fine, obviously a little bit darker, The malt comparison charts I've found have no discernable difference, other than color. It darkened it from 5SRM to 6SRM, when I put it into beersmith. Other than that, not much change in the numbers...

Thoughts?

 

[scottvin]

The only thing that comes to mind other than high storage temps is your water supply maybe tainted it?

I kept it in the basement the whole time - about 65 the warmest it get all year.

I filter the water before I use it in brewing but how could water supply taint it?

 

[andycr]

There could be tons of factors, the weird thing is that it tasted good going into the bottles. The only things that really make it worse over time AFAIK are things like oxidation, infections, etc. The rest would be bad going in. 4 months is a long time to wait to drink a pale ale, but it shouldn't taste like nothing.

The water might have had chlorine or chloramine in it, but I'm not familiar with how that affects things. Most people seem to think it adds a nasty medicinal flavor.

The only batch I've ever had like you're describing was an IPA made from an all-grain kit. The kit had sat on my shelf with crushed grains and room temp hops for about 3 months, and who knows how long in the store. I finally made it and the beer... Tasted like absolutely, positively nothing whatsoever. Carbonated nothingness.

 

[scottvin]

There could be tons of factors, the weird thing is that it tasted good going into the bottles. The only things that really make it worse over time AFAIK are things like oxidation, infections, etc. The rest would be bad going in. 4 months is a long time to wait to drink a pale ale, but it shouldn't taste like nothing.

The water might have had chlorine or chloramine in it, but I'm not familiar with how that affects things. Most people seem to think it adds a nasty medicinal flavor.

The only batch I've ever had like you're describing was an IPA made from an all-grain kit. The kit had sat on my shelf with crushed grains and room temp hops for about 3 months, and who knows how long in the store. I finally made it and the beer... Tasted like absolutely, positively nothing whatsoever. Carbonated nothingness.

Well, there are only two bottles left (we drank most of it at the party three weeks after bottling) - but just got me wondering...

 

[bfinleyui]

Just got done with my first AG mash, starting the boil as soon as the water warms up.

I don't think I had a big enough pot, so my efficiency is awful. Waiting for my sample to cool, but probably below 60%... What would be the best way to repair it? I don't have DME on hand, but can run and get some if table sugar is goign to futz it up.

 

[Sippin37]

I'd say DME or just lower your final volume down so the SG is close to the target. Table sugar wont produce the same result at all.

 

[badbrew]

Just got done with my first AG mash, starting the boil as soon as the water warms up.

I don't think I had a big enough pot, so my efficiency is awful. Waiting for my sample to cool, but probably below 60%... What would be the best way to repair it? I don't have DME on hand, but can run and get some if table sugar is goign to futz it up.

find your preboil quantity and gravity. then go here and enter values.
http://www.brewersfriend.com/allgrain-ogfg/
Fiddle with the batch size to scale the boil down quantity to 1.051 og.

At 60% 4.5 gallons is about right.

 

[bfinleyui]

Ended up adding DME until I got to 1.051, still hit my 5 gallon final volume. that'll be my last venture into all grain in a small apartment kitchen. partial mash all day, but i don't have room for any sort of efficient brewing at that volume. Bah.

 

[Rahahb]

My efficiency is off for some reason. I'd like to blame the milling. The first couple of times I brewed all grain I was over 80%. Now that I get my stuff from BMW, it is lower. May be a connection there. I eeked a 1.049 out of this one.

 

[andycr]

Ended up adding DME until I got to 1.051, still hit my 5 gallon final volume. that'll be my last venture into all grain in a small apartment kitchen. partial mash all day, but i don't have room for any sort of efficient brewing at that volume. Bah.

Partial mash is good, I live in a one bedroom and do 2.5 gallon all-grain BIAB batches but that's about as far as I'll go. Anything 5 gallons is partial mash or extract. 2.5 gallons takes long enough to boil as it is on my apartment stove...

 

[bfinleyui]

Partial mash is good, I live in a one bedroom and do 2.5 gallon all-grain BIAB batches but that's about as far as I'll go. Anything 5 gallons is partial mash or extract. 2.5 gallons takes long enough to boil as it is on my apartment stove...

yep. just thought i'd see how far i could push it, now I know Helpful to have a "stop" sign as far as how far to push towards craziness. This locks me in to a nice reasonably-sized, reasonable equipment needs, etc.

Thanks to everyone who's given advice as I've gotten through my first three brews. I feel pretty confident going ahead now, like I've had my trials and tribulations, seen that the beer turns out fine, and so the patience is now there, and i feel like this batch will turn out to be my best, and the next after will be the best, etc and so forth

 

[LAbrewer]

My efficiency is off for some reason. I'd like to blame the milling. The first couple of times I brewed all grain I was over 80%. Now that I get my stuff from BMW, it is lower. May be a connection there. I eeked a 1.049 out of this one.

Come on man... 0.002 off and you're complaining?

 

[ShinyBuddha]

EdWort. That link to brewmasterswarehouse.com doesn't work.

 

[Brewcrew02]

Used this as my pale ale base and couldn't be happier. Thanks to the man from just down the road from a fellow Austin brewer! Subbed in Falconer's and Northern Brewer. Almost an IPA, but I'm completely fine with that. New "Haus Pale"

 

[andycr]

Had to crack one of these open after only a week in the bottle, the suspense was killing me.

This was the first batch I finally had everything dialed in - water chemistry, ingredient supplier, BIAB methodology, fermentation methods, etc.

It has a nice, hoppy, bready aroma. The taste is clean, bready, slightly crisp biscuity saltine-cracker with a hint of honey. The hops are just smooth and clean.

It's just a great recipe. As far as pale ales go, it's what I'd describe as 'tame' - it doesn't get in your face and bludgeon you with a sack of cones, and the malt doesn't make as sweet and thick as some. As such, I'm less inclined to this style than I am to darker, hoppier APAs.

However, it tastes like something I would buy in a store. I wouldn't change anything about the recipe, and it will be fantastic to have around for friends. I can't imagine anyone guessing it's a homebrew recipe unless they were told.

Anyone on the fence: Just brew this. It's great. Thanks EdWort!

 

[blefferd]

Tag

 

[redfox97]

Making my second batch tomorrow. First batch was dyhopped with citra.Thsi batch I am Removing the 30 minute and adding .5 oz citra at 10 and 0, Also will dry hop with citra and maybe a little cascade. Guy at a homebrew shop I was talking to did a similiar malt bill and with this hop schedule and said it was great. Worth a try.

 

[good11s]

damnit now i have to make this one too.

 

[Phisher]

Just finished brewing this recipe for my first ever all-grain batch!

The biggest lesson I learned?- start earlier in the day. All grain takes a while longer... but man that mash tun smells awesome!


I'll report back when its time to test the first bottle.