Because I was under 21 until 2007, store won't sell to me

[Bernie Brewer]

I have an SC license.

Ok, so your South Carolina license is valid until 2016. Big deal. You don't live there any more. You live in Illinois. Go get a license from Illinois, and quit your whining. The store clerk has no way of knowing whether that license is a forgery; she is not used to seeing licenses from SC. Sheesh.

 

[r8rphan]

Good luck re-entering Satan's anus.

And be sure to not leave any thing behind.. That's how you get in trouble...

 

[Ace_Club]

Ok, so your South Carolina license is valid until 2016. Big deal. You don't live there any more. You live in Illinois. Go get a license from Illinois, and quit your whining. The store clerk has no way of knowing whether that license is a forgery; she is not used to seeing licenses from SC. Sheesh.

^^^ Jealous that he's stuck in WI and not living in IL.

 

[rocketman768]

Sweet jebus...and I suppose your passport is NOT A GOOD ENOUGH id even for the place that issues them??

*slams head against the wall* Sometimes this planet sucks....

But now we know where all the infected beers come from the Illinois Department of Motor Vehicles.

You don't subscribe to any magazines that would have your addy on it?

Nope. No magazines (yet...subscribing now to BYO now b/c my Brewtarget software is gonna be featured in the May-June issue).

Why is beer so hard to drink? I had to submit less information to get a damn travel visa to China than to drink a beer at my house. When I was living in Chile, it was pretty common to see a 12 year-old kid buying a bottle of wine (which is _really_ cheap and good there btw) at the grocery store (they also sell boxes of coca leaves in the grocery store haha), and somehow there didn't seem to be any more DUIs, alcohol-induced "incidents, or negative social impacts than there are here. <scratches head>

 

[rocketman768]

Ok, so your South Carolina license is valid until 2016. Big deal. You don't live there any more. You live in Illinois. Go get a license from Illinois, and quit your whining. The store clerk has no way of knowing whether that license is a forgery; she is not used to seeing licenses from SC. Sheesh.

You mean besides the book of state licenses they keep at every counter? I suppose I should also never travel outside IL when I get my new license either, because nobody outside IL will be able to tell if I'm 21 or not.

 

[r8rphan]

Why is beer so hard to drink? I had to submit less information to get a damn travel visa to China than to drink a beer at my house. When I was living in Chile, it was pretty common to see a 12 year-old kid buying a bottle of wine (which is _really_ cheap and good there btw) at the grocery store (they also sell boxes of coca leaves in the grocery store haha), and somehow there didn't seem to be any more DUIs, alcohol-induced "incidents, or negative social impacts than there are here. <scratches head>

Prohibition is dying hard...

Laws often cause more of the very transgressions they seek to limit... Pretty much nobody smoked pot until it was illegal...

People 'by nature' are rebellious...

 

[Revvy]

Nope. No magazines (yet...subscribing now to BYO now b/c my Brewtarget software is gonna be featured in the May-June issue).

Why is beer so hard to drink? I had to submit less information to get a damn travel visa to China than to drink a beer at my house. When I was living in Chile, it was pretty common to see a 12 year-old kid buying a bottle of wine (which is _really_ cheap and good there btw) at the grocery store (they also sell boxes of coca leaves in the grocery store haha), and somehow there didn't seem to be any more DUIs, alcohol-induced "incidents, or negative social impacts than there are here. <scratches head>

Blame it on "the great experiment." We've never totally recovered from it...Look at the fact that it took 40 years after the re-peal of prohibition to actually get around to legalizing homebrewing.

If you get some time read Maureen Ogle's Ambitious Brew, she does a great job of covering the period leading up to and after prohibition and even touches somewhat on the modern temperence groups like MADD.

 

[ndsgr]

And to ndsgr... sticker updates in NV? Never seen it before

I think they just changed it, but mine doesn't expire until later this year. I guess i'll find out. The sticker has a bar code type thing and a state seal. However, the simple abuse of sitting in a wallet colors it black and almost unreadable.

 

[humann_brewing]

a 9+ year license? That's insane. This does suck, but I'd say you're overdue for a new license so now is a good time, and reason, to get one.

their good for 35 years in AZ, that is crazy

 

[dataz722]

Ok, so your South Carolina license is valid until 2016. Big deal. You don't live there any more. You live in Illinois. Go get a license from Illinois, and quit your whining. The store clerk has no way of knowing whether that license is a forgery; she is not used to seeing licenses from SC. Sheesh.

That is an even worse excuse than he was given by the store? So if you were to go on vacation to another state you should not be allowed to purchase alcohol?

 

[Acoma]

My AZ license is good until I am 65 in 2045. My picture is from when I was 19. I get double takes all the time and Im only 30. I've never been declined but I am sure eventually I will need to get a new picture.

 

[the_bird]

My AZ license is good until I am 65 in 2045. My picture is from when I was 19. I get double takes all the time and Im only 30. I've never been declined but I am sure eventually I will need to get a new picture.

I've probably put on forty pounds since my picture was taken, and grown a beard, and realized that I'm about two inches taller than I always thought I was. Thing is, now that I've grown the beard and don't look like I'm 16 anymore, I hardly have to show it at all anymore.

 

[Special Hops]

Years ago me and a buddy road tripped around the US one summer. He was 20 with a fake ID. I was 21 with a legit ID. One bar we went into insisted my ID was fake, same bartender gave him a beer without looking at the ID twice.

It's all who checks your ID.

 

[the_bird]

Thing is, when I first started working at a little convenience store (back when I was 18), the very first thing my boss told me was that she would never, ever, ever be upset with me for not selling alcohol to someone. She had our back 100%. The penalties if any of us screwed up were so extreme, she didn't care if we pissed off one or two people who were legit, just so that we would never think twice about turning away someone who we had a question about.

I used to *love* carding the little dip**** ******** who'd try and buy beer. I'd LOVE to see them get all pissed off. Remember this kid trying to bribe me like $20 to let him buy an 18-pack. "Uh, **** you, *******, get the **** out of here!". One person would be at the register, and you knew that the person in line was of questionable age, you go position yourself near the door to back them up in case they tried to beer-run you. Good times!

The clerk *had* the right to not sell you alcohol, but it would have been nice if she just said "I'm not sure that this ID is real" instead of giving you the completely illogical reason that she gave you. That's the part that would piss me off.

 

[dataz722]

This whole thing makes me think of the liquor store that I usually go to. They have huge signs in the front windows saying that they will not sell to anyone without seeing an ID with no exceptions. They have the same but smalled signs near all the registers. They mean it too. A lot of the guys in there know me by name and will still card me because they have to, and it has to show it on the security camera. I laught everytime they say "hey mike I need to see your id."

I saw one guy once that looked like he was probably around 70 have to walk out of there without anything because they refused to sell it to him since he didn't have his license. They didn't care how old he looked. He was pissed.

 

[the_bird]

I've seen them do that at the Whole Foods. Seen old men get pissed off because they've got to dig for ID to buy a bottle of Chard. I think it's a MA law, but the cashiers at the few grocery stores that sell beer not only can't even ring up the sale if they themselves aren't 21, they literally can't touch the alcohol, like to put it in a grocery bag or to push it out of their way.

 

[bob1852]

their good for 35 years in AZ, that is crazy

Mine is good until 2042...

My AZ license is good until I am 65 in 2045. My picture is from when I was 19. I get double takes all the time and Im only 30. I've never been declined but I am sure eventually I will need to get a new picture.

I guess it's an AZ law that even though your license doesn't expire for decades, you have to get the picture updated every 12 years......ask me how I know.

 

[r8rphan]

The target store in town cards 'everyone'.. no exception.. That didn't bother me when I was buying a bottle of wine.. in fact it flattered me until the kid explained that they card everyone...

But then, he scanned the license... 'That' made me decide to never buy alcohol there again.. I see no reason why my purchase had to be documented... and I didn't like it...

 

[rocketman768]

The clerk *had* the right to not sell you alcohol, but it would have been nice if she just said "I'm not sure that this ID is real" instead of giving you the completely illogical reason that she gave you. That's the part that would piss me off.

I realize anyone can refuse to sell you anything for any reason (or no reason), unless it's for anti-competitive reasons. If it were otherwise, I would have made a big stink about it. I really don't even think they thought it was fake. They knew it was real.

However, both my wife and I have had many age-related issues. We both look like 16 (look at my avatar, I was in 9th grade there, and I still look the same except for the sharpie beard). For example, we are both grad students and therefore have university-issued bus cards. About once every month, they don't let her on the bus because they think she must be using her older sister's bus card. She then procures her driver's license to show that she is indeed the same person as on the bus card.

 

[IrregularPulse]

Ok, so your South Carolina license is valid until 2016. Big deal. You don't live there any more. You live in Illinois. Go get a license from Illinois, and quit your whining. The store clerk has no way of knowing whether that license is a forgery; she is not used to seeing licenses from SC. Sheesh.

addressed by dataz

That is an even worse excuse than he was given by the store? So if you were to go on vacation to another state you should not be allowed to purchase alcohol?

parts of TX won't let you. Ask me how I know I ordered a beer at a bar, and gave her my Ohio license when asked for ID. She said i needed a TX issued ID. I asked, "I'm supposed to 1) know that and 2) go get a ID made for being in town for 2 days just to have a beer when I'm freakin 24 years old!? She said yes. I did not argue. It was a bar I shouldn't have been in to begin with.

The target store in town cards 'everyone'.. no exception.. That didn't bother me when I was buying a bottle of wine.. in fact it flattered me until the kid explained that they card everyone...

But then, he scanned the license... 'That' made me decide to never buy alcohol there again.. I see no reason why my purchase had to be documented... and I didn't like it...

It's because they can't rely on the kid with to do simple math because he can't have his phone on him at work to use the calculator. The computer tells him the age.

 

[chaserchap]

I got carded to see a movie the other day. I'm 25 and don't look anywhere near 17...ridiculous.

 

[bob1852]

It's because they can't rely on the kid with to do simple math because he can't have his phone on him at work to use the calculator. The computer tells him the age.

Sad but true....

Like when something costs $4.76 and you give them $5.01 and they give you a blank stare....

(I actually don't do that, but my always does. I remember when I was little I bought something at the toy store and not knowing any better, yet watching my dad over the years, just randomly threw some change with the paper money )

 

[r8rphan]

However, both my wife and I have had many age-related issues. We both look like 16 (look at my avatar, I was in 9th grade there, and I still look the same except for the sharpie beard). For example, we are both grad students and therefore have university-issued bus cards. About once every month, they don't let her on the bus because they think she must be using her older sister's bus card. She then procures her driver's license to show that she is indeed the same person as on the bus card.

You'll count your blessings on the back end... I got carded until I was well into my mid thirties.. people still think I'm at least a decade younger than I am... While it was a bit of a PITA when I was your age, I am dang happy about it now...

 

[the_bird]

I got carded to see a movie the other day. I'm 25 and don't look anywhere near 17...ridiculous.

.... my wife still gives me crap about the time I got carded (when I was ~25) going to see "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back." Hence, the beard!

 

[Revvy]

Yeah rocketman that was the first thing I thought to, how young you look in your avatar picture. That really must make it difficult.

I had just the opposite, I started graying at the temples and such at 18, and I had a beard or some sort of facial hair since then as well, so I drank underage in campus bars quite a lot. In fact the only time I got carded was on a date with a girl where we ended up at one of the campus bars I drank at all the time, and I think the waitress like me and was pissed that I came in with someone. She went to card to be snarky but I had actually turned 21 a month before. But the look she gave me, because not only was she po-ed that I was in with someone, but that she'd been serving me underaged for over a year and never knew.

 

[r8rphan]

Sad but true....

Like when something costs $4.76 and you give them $5.01 and they give you a blank stare....

(I actually don't do that, but my always does. I remember when I was little I bought something at the toy store and not knowing any better, yet watching my dad over the years, just randomly threw some change with the paper money )

Watching modern day high school 'graduates' deal with a tape measure or an analog clock is 'interesting' too...

 

[the_bird]

Watching modern day high school 'graduates' deal with a tape measure or an analog clock is 'interesting' too...

I went out with this girl in high school and through most of college. I should say, first, I had terribly low self-esteem. And she put out. That was about the extent of the reason I was in this relationship, because I was socially inept and she liked sucking dick.

Anyway, whatever analogy you want to use, "dumber than a box of rocks," "IQ of a fencepost," "dumber than a box of rocks that just lost a spelling bee to a fencepost," whatever... it fits.

I finally knew that I *had* to break up with her when she asked me for help reading a tape measure. She was having difficulty with the concepts of half-inches, and half-of-a-half-inch is a quarter-inch, and she was going to start a job doing quality control at a factory.

I got that damn girl through college. I helped her study, I helped her with papers, I deserve my damn name on her degree more than she does. And I knew, as she held that tape measure with a helpless look in her eyes, I just knew at that moment that I would rather kill myself than spend any more time with her.

Not before one last pity-****, though.

 

[bob1852]

She was having difficulty with the concepts of half-inches, and half-of-a-half-inch is a quarter-inch,

[insert size doesn't matter joke here]

 

[the_bird]

[insert size doesn't matter joke here]

.... ****, I left myself open for that one, didn't I?

 

[Bernie Brewer]

You mean besides the book of state licenses they keep at every counter? I suppose I should also never travel outside IL when I get my new license either, because nobody outside IL will be able to tell if I'm 21 or not.

That is an even worse excuse than he was given by the store? So if you were to go on vacation to another state you should not be allowed to purchase alcohol?

addressed by dataz

Come one guys. Use your heads here. Going on vacation and paying a visit is one thing. Establishing a change of residence is quite another. If you travel to another area, you expect some inconveniences. You shrug them off, and chalk it up to her being a dumb store clerk, then you go to another store where they will accept you ID.

BUT YOU LIVE THERE! JUST GO GET A LICENSE FROM IL!!!!!

 

[r8rphan]

I went out with this girl in high school and through most of college. I should say, first, I had terribly low self-esteem. And she put out. That was about the extent of the reason I was in this relationship, because I was socially inept and she liked sucking dick.

Anyway, whatever analogy you want to use, "dumber than a box of rocks," "IQ of a fencepost," "dumber than a box of rocks that just lost a spelling bee to a fencepost," whatever... it fits.

I finally knew that I *had* to break up with her when she asked me for help reading a tape measure. She was having difficulty with the concepts of half-inches, and half-of-a-half-inch is a quarter-inch, and she was going to start a job doing quality control at a factory.

I got that damn girl through college. I helped her study, I helped her with papers, I deserve my damn name on her degree more than she does. And I knew, as she held that tape measure with a helpless look in her eyes, I just knew at that moment that I would rather kill myself than spend any more time with her.

Not before one last pity-****, though.

When I was building my house, I hired this kid (HS graduate) to help me do the siding.. He could not 'grasp' fractions, and thus could not read a tape measure.. How did this kid graduate HS? I had to know algebra! I had to understand fractions to get out of third grade!

 

[bob1852]

.... ****, I left myself open for that one, didn't I?

I had to - I figure it might be awhile before Cape and PTN find this thread....

 

[dataz722]

The target store in town cards 'everyone'.. no exception.. That didn't bother me when I was buying a bottle of wine.. in fact it flattered me until the kid explained that they card everyone...

But then, he scanned the license... 'That' made me decide to never buy alcohol there again.. I see no reason why my purchase had to be documented... and I didn't like it...

That isn't too track you. It is to check that it is valid and also make it idiot proof so the people don't have to figure out if you are old enough.

Come one guys. Use your heads here. Going on vacation and paying a visit is one thing. Establishing a change of residence is quite another. If you travel to another area, you expect some inconveniences. You shrug them off, and chalk it up to her being a dumb store clerk, then you go to another store where they will accept you ID.

BUT YOU LIVE THERE! JUST GO GET A LICENSE FROM IL!!!!!

But how in the hell is a clerk going to know the difference? You said they don't know what a fake looks like so they shouldn't sell to you yet you say it is ok if you don't live there. To the store there is no difference.

 

[Ace_Club]

That isn't too track you. It is to check that it is valid and also make it idiot proof so the people don't have to figure out if you are old enough.

Bull! If it's scanned, it's tracking you.

[*to]

 

[mmb]

Hell, I got carded for Nyquil yesterday.

 

[SwampassJ]

I like watching the sagging trophy wives in their 40s throw fits at the Total Wine in Boca. They right down the dates from the license on their sheets to coincide with the purchase too.

I've seen some good fake IDs from working as a cashier and I've seen some bad ones. I've never seen a fake ID that scanned through with the same details as on the card though.

 

[Revvy]

Hell, I got carded for Nyquil yesterday.

You Methmaker you.

 

[dataz722]

I've never seen a fake ID that scanned through with the same details as on the card though.

I have seen it happen and used to know the guy that made them. A couple months later though the FBI kicked in his dorm room door and I think he is doing 10+ in federal prison.

 

[chaserchap]

Easy fix: brew your own beer.

 

[Bernie Brewer]

But how in the hell is a clerk going to know the difference? You said they don't know what a fake looks like so they shouldn't sell to you yet you say it is ok if you don't live there. To the store there is no difference.

Agreed. But if you are just visiting, you shake it off and move on. If you LIVE THERE, you do what you can to make sure it doesn't happen again. Because otherwise you will be dealing with this crap for a long time.