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Dude said:
In the letter that was included with the glasses, it specifically said to enjoy a malty beverage or somethign to that effect.
The letter I received encouraged me to try some of my home brewed beers in the glasses.
I don't understand the big issue here. If I owned a brewery and made a special glass for one of my beers, I would certainly want people to drink my beer in them. Why wouldn't I? I would also have my logo on them because the glasses are an advertising tool. I like to collect beer glasses from different brewers so I think the SA glasses are kick ass! :rockin:
I think SA should be commended for doing this. :mug:
 
RichBrewer said:
The letter I received encouraged me to try some of my home brewed beers in the glasses.
I don't understand the big issue here. If I owned a brewery and made a special glass for one of my beers, I would certainly want people to drink my beer in them. Why wouldn't I? I would also have my logo on them because the glasses are an advertising tool. I like to collect beer glasses from different brewers so I think the SA glasses are kick ass! :rockin:
I think SA should be commended for doing this. :mug:

I totally agree Rich. Good on SA.

Edwort, check out the post I made on page 1 of this thread, you can still get your glasses.
 
To do the test in a truly fair manner, you'd need to be sampling the ESB from both glasses at the same temperature, so that you could discern whether the increased aroma was coming from the shape of the glass itself or the fact it was simply allowing the beer to warm up more quickly.

Quick, back to the testing lab!
 
the_bird said:
To do the test in a truly fair manner, you'd need to be sampling the ESB from both glasses at the same temperature, so that you could discern whether the increased aroma was coming from the shape of the glass itself or the fact it was simply allowing the beer to warm up more quickly.

Quick, back to the testing lab!
and it could take multiple rounds of tasting to be sure the results are accurate. :D
 
Gotta have a large enough sample size!

Ideally, you'd have multiple testers, as well. Why don't you send one of the glasses up to me for my observations...
 
Got my glasses today! Money well spent, I think!

I like the way they feel, and SWMBO thinks they look kinda classy (even better if they had no logo...but that would sorta kill the marketing).

I drank a Full Sail IPA from one earlier - nothing overly remarkable about the glass regarding flavor yet, but I didn't do a side-by-side comparison with another glass since it was my last bottle of that particular beer. It feels nice and comfortable, easy to drink from.

I just opened two Odell Cutthroat Porters. One went into a SA glass, the other into an American pint (AP).

Two minutes after the pour:
SA: 43° F, STRONG nose
AP: 42° F, little aroma
Even SWMBO noticed a significant difference in the aroma - and I didn't tell her which should be different or how they should be different.

10 minutes:
SA: 49° F, nice, strong aroma - the caramel, chocolate, and coffee notes are quite intense and distinct
AP: 48° F, no perceivable difference in flavor or aroma

15 minutes:
SA: 51° F, aroma still strong, bubbles evident as a circle of foam in the center of the glass
AP: 50° F, little aroma, one-dimensional flavor, head almost completely dissipated

20 minutes:
SA: 54° F, I'm sold!
AP: 53° F, nothing to add

25 minutes
(after holding the glasses in my hands for 5 minutes and sipping from them equally):
SA: 59° F
AP: 57° F

I think I have my verdict! I tested with a beer that isn't exactly a favorite - I just happened to have two of them close at hand. It turns out that it was a perfect choice. The Sam Adams glass REALLY brought this beer to life for me! In the American pint glass, I could only smell faint notes of burned toast. The flavor was one-dimensional - almost entirely roasted grain, making the beer taste acrid and charcoal-like. When I sipped from the Sam Adams glass, the aroma was much, much stronger, and it presented a more complex nose - caramel, chocolate, and coffee. As a result, I could taste those notes in the beer, and it seemed a bit sweeter - much more palatable. I didn't really touch the glasses much during the first 20 minutes, so I decided to manhandle them for 5 minutes to see how the temperature would change. It really didn't change as much as I expected. Sure, the SA glass warmed the beer slightly faster, but I don't think it's objectionable. In fact, an Englishman might find that attribute pleasing when served an ice-cold beer in an American pub.

A+, Sam Adams! Thanks for a great new product!

Post-script...
I just poured the last of the beer in the AP glass into the SA glass...and now I'm calling myself a Nancy for having taken half an hour to drink two beers.
 
Yuri_Rage said:
Got my glasses today! Money well spent, I think!

I like the way they feel, and SWMBO thinks they look kinda classy (even better if they had no logo...but that would sorta kill the marketing).

I drank a Full Sail IPA from one earlier - nothing overly remarkable about the glass regarding flavor yet, but I didn't do a side-by-side comparison with another glass since it was my last bottle of that particular beer. It feels nice and comfortable, easy to drink from.

I just opened two Odell Cutthroat Porters. One went into a SA glass, the other into an American pint (AP).

Two minutes after the pour:
SA: 43° F, STRONG nose
AP: 42° F, little aroma
Even SWMBO noticed a significant difference in the aroma - and I didn't tell her which should be different or how they should be different.

10 minutes:
SA: 49° F, nice, strong aroma - the caramel, chocolate, and coffee notes are quite intense and distinct
AP: 48° F, no perceivable difference in flavor or aroma

15 minutes:
SA: 51° F, aroma still strong, bubbles evident as a circle of foam in the center of the glass
AP: 50° F, little aroma, one-dimensional flavor, head almost completely dissipated

20 minutes:
SA: 54° F, I'm sold!
AP: 53° F, nothing to add

25 minutes
(after holding the glasses in my hands for 5 minutes and sipping from them equally):
SA: 59° F
AP: 57° F

I think I have my verdict! I tested with a beer that isn't exactly a favorite - I just happened to have two of them close at hand. It turns out that it was a perfect choice. The Sam Adams glass REALLY brought this beer to life for me! In the American pint glass, I could only smell faint notes of burned toast. The flavor was one-dimensional - almost entirely roasted grain, making the beer taste acrid and charcoal-like. When I sipped from the Sam Adams glass, the aroma was much, much stronger, and it presented a more complex nose - caramel, chocolate, and coffee. As a result, I could taste those notes in the beer, and it seemed a bit sweeter - much more palatable. I didn't really touch the glasses much during the first 20 minutes, so I decided to manhandle them for 5 minutes to see how the temperature would change. It really didn't change as much as I expected. Sure, the SA glass warmed the beer slightly faster, but I don't think it's objectionable. In fact, an Englishman might find that attribute pleasing when served an ice-cold beer in an American pub.

A+, Sam Adams! Thanks for a great new product!

Post-script...
I just poured the last of the beer in the AP glass into the SA glass...and now I'm calling myself a Nancy for having taken half an hour to drink two beers.
Comments Evan?
 
So far the results suggest that warm beer has more flavour and aroma, no surprise there really, seems the english were onto something with their warm beer :)
 
RichBrewer said:
Comments Evan?

F*ck yes, comments!

Not that I'm out to bash the rather in-depth studies undertaken here, but they've both got one major flaw: they stacked the SA glass up against the least-expressive beer drinking vessel there ever was: the pint glass. Unless I'm out at a bar or restaurant and said restaurant doesn't have the sense to serve beer in vessels that accentuate its character, I never drink out of pint glasses. They rob me of the experience of actually being able to smell the beer. I mean, comparing the SA glass to a pint glass is like putting a Reidel Bordeaux glass up against a Solo cup in a wine tasting. No contest, but this much is obvious.

I drink my beer almost exclusively out of a Lucifer club-footed snifter, and sometimes out of a Unibroue glass which is not quite as bulbous. Sometimes I even drink it out of a Reidel or G&C Bordeaux glass. The shape of these glasses concentrates the aromas and directs them towards your nasal passages, this accentuating the nose of the beer. The pint glass, on the other hand, is woefully inadequate.

As I've said before in reference to the SA glasses, the best feature it has going for it is the rounded shape and smaller rim, to concentrate and direct the aroma into your nose. I've never denied the efficacy of this feature---but I have pointed out that there are a million other glasses already on the market that are designed in exactly the same way, and I even have some glasses in my basement that have a similar shape as the SA.

The other feature that seemed to impress the testers here was the laser etching to facilitate bubbling. Maybe it's just the wino in me, but I've always just swirled my beer around when I want some bubbles (to accentuate the aromas). It seems to me that if it were constantly bubbling, it would go flatter faster, but I really am not sure about that. Either way...it's intiguing but not really all that important unless you have some kind of physical deformity that prevents you from swirling your glass a few times with your hand.

So, getting back to my original point: the tests weren't really "fair", because they pitted the SA glasses against a woefully inadequate competitor. Maybe the SA glass really is ten times better than my Lucifer snifter and my Unibroue stemmed glasses...but pitting it against plain ol' pinties can't tell me either way.

But nonetheless, I appreciate the efforts of the guys who did the tasting...Dude and Yuri. Can't say I'm surprised by the outcome, but it's cool that someone undertook it. :mug:

At the end of the day, my feeling is not negative regarding these new glasses---to me, it represents a step forward in changing the image of beer from the bastard drink of the unwashed underclasses to a more sophisticated status closer to wine. And that's excellent! Georg Reidel went through a similar process in order to craft specific wine glasses for certain grape varietals or styles of wine, each of which accentuated its particular characteristics. I'd love to see more of this...I foresee someone coming out with sets of glasses for beer styles just like Reidel has done with wine (I'm not so ignorant to think that snifters are the best vessel for every style of beer). And so I appreciate SA's efforts and commend them for putting this out there. The only thing I've faulted them on is overselling the glasses with all their silly red arrows and laundry list of supposed features---like claiming that the rounded shape somehow keeps the temperature at the proper temp longer, or talking about the beaded lip creating "turbulence"---but none of that is to say that the glass doesn't possess valid features. It certainly does.
 
Evan! said:
F*ck yes, comments!

Not that I'm out to bash the rather in-depth studies undertaken here, but they've both got one major flaw: they stacked the SA glass up against the least-expressive beer drinking vessel there ever was: the pint glass. Unless I'm out at a bar or restaurant and said restaurant doesn't have the sense to serve beer in vessels that accentuate its character, I never drink out of pint glasses. They rob me of the experience of actually being able to smell the beer. I mean, comparing the SA glass to a pint glass is like putting a Reidel Bordeaux glass up against a Solo cup in a wine tasting. No contest, but this much is obvious.

I drink my beer almost exclusively out of a Lucifer club-footed snifter, and sometimes out of a Unibroue glass which is not quite as bulbous. Sometimes I even drink it out of a Reidel or G&C Bordeaux glass. The shape of these glasses concentrates the aromas and directs them towards your nasal passages, this accentuating the nose of the beer. The pint glass, on the other hand, is woefully inadequate.

As I've said before in reference to the SA glasses, the best feature it has going for it is the rounded shape and smaller rim, to concentrate and direct the aroma into your nose. I've never denied the efficacy of this feature---but I have pointed out that there are a million other glasses already on the market that are designed in exactly the same way, and I even have some glasses in my basement that have a similar shape as the SA.

The other feature that seemed to impress the testers here was the laser etching to facilitate bubbling. Maybe it's just the wino in me, but I've always just swirled my beer around when I want some bubbles (to accentuate the aromas). It seems to me that if it were constantly bubbling, it would go flatter faster, but I really am not sure about that. Either way...it's intiguing but not really all that important unless you have some kind of physical deformity that prevents you from swirling your glass a few times with your hand.

So, getting back to my original point: the tests weren't really "fair", because they pitted the SA glasses against a woefully inadequate competitor. Maybe the SA glass really is ten times better than my Lucifer snifter and my Unibroue stemmed glasses...but pitting it against plain ol' pinties can't tell me either way.

But nonetheless, I appreciate the efforts of the guys who did the tasting...Dude and Yuri. Can't say I'm surprised by the outcome, but it's cool that someone undertook it. :mug:

At the end of the day, my feeling is not negative regarding these new glasses---to me, it represents a step forward in changing the image of beer from the bastard drink of the unwashed underclasses to a more sophisticated status closer to wine. And that's excellent! Georg Reidel went through a similar process in order to craft specific wine glasses for certain grape varietals or styles of wine, each of which accentuated its particular characteristics. I'd love to see more of this...I foresee someone coming out with sets of glasses for beer styles just like Reidel has done with wine (I'm not so ignorant to think that snifters are the best vessel for every style of beer). And so I appreciate SA's efforts and commend them for putting this out there. The only thing I've faulted them on is overselling the glasses with all their silly red arrows and laundry list of supposed features---like claiming that the rounded shape somehow keeps the temperature at the proper temp longer, or talking about the beaded lip creating "turbulence"---but none of that is to say that the glass doesn't possess valid features. It certainly does.

OMFG.

Are you kidding?
 
Has anyone tried this comparison with Sam Adams? I remember reading somewhere that the glasses were designed specifically for the flavor profile of Sam Adams Boston Lager. Just curious if the differences are more pronounced (and there is no way I am spending $30 on some glasses when I can get 3 kegs for that price instead).
 
I am willing to contribute a $1 via paypal to the "save-evan's-sanity-and-buy-him-a-set-of-the-daym-SA-beer-glasses" fund (SESABHASOTDSBGF).
 
Perhaps not enough coffee in me...or too much. But definitely sane :drunk:

What about that is insane? :) I'm bored at work...and Rich asked me if I had any comments...which I did. If it seems like I'm taking it too seriously (which I definitely am), it's because I don't have anything better to do. :p

Hey, Dude, any chance you could replicate your study using snifters, etc., or even wine glasses? I'm genuinely curious...but not enough to drop $30 on 'em.
 
I'm with Evan. Good job so far to the 2 testers, but the verdict is still out in my mind.

One good thing SA does consistently is contrast themselves from BMC in their marketing. They aren't really going after the market of craft/microbrews, and they probably aren't try to convince folks like "us" to try SA--they know we've BTDT. They want to get the other less-cultured 90% of beer drinkers to try something that has real flavor and understand that sometimes less flavor isn't better. I have no problem with this, since even though I find flaws in the flavor of most SA products, it's still leaps and bounds above macro-swill.

My point is, SA IS providing a better experience to people whose first instinct is that their "high-end" Boston Lager should be served in a frosty mug. The glass and its marketing are successful in that regard.
 
So what would be the appropriate glass style to compare APAs and IPA's in versus the new SA glasses? I've got a pretty good collection of glasses with the various pils tulips, wheat beer, goblets etc. and like to match the style with the glass. I can't say I've ever heard of a recomended glass for an IPA other than the standard pint. Maybe I'll do a test with an IPA in 4 different glasses versus the new SA glasses.
 
I'd think that a tulip glass or a snifter would compliment itself to IPA drinking. That shape would concentrate and hold the hop aroma, a big part of drinking an IPA as we all know.
 
I tend to use a water goblet for most of my aromatic beers.

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Evan! said:
Perhaps not enough coffee in me...or too much. But definitely sane :drunk:

What about that is insane? :) I'm bored at work...and Rich asked me if I had any comments...which I did. If it seems like I'm taking it too seriously (which I definitely am), it's because I don't have anything better to do. :p

Hey, Dude, any chance you could replicate your study using snifters, etc., or even wine glasses? I'm genuinely curious...but not enough to drop $30 on 'em.

I will do it again for research sake. I'll post the glasses beforehand to make sure you guys approve of the styles.
 
Dude said:
I will do it again for research sake. I'll post the glasses beforehand to make sure you guys approve of the styles.

Might be a good idea to try the beers at typical cellar temps just to rule out the possibility that the SA glass is just allowing the beer to warm up quicker and give off its aromas.
In fact i wouldn't be surprised if the old dimpled pint mug doesn't do a better job at this temp, the thick glass will hold the correct cellar temp longer and also with a handle the drinkers hand won't continue too warm it up beyond the optimum temperature (cellar temp).
 
Since you measured/compared glasses every five minutes - that sort of begs the question:

How often do you let a glass sit around for more than 5 minutes before you drink it anyway ?
 
Mutilated1 said:
Since you measured/compared glasses every five minutes - that sort of begs the question:

How often do you let a glass sit around for more than 5 minutes before you drink it anyway ?
You got any better ideas? Problems without solutions are like condoms when you're alone...useless.

I do agree that the American pint glass is far from the ideal beer glass. A comparison of the SA glass against a more suitable competitor may be in order. I've got some tulip glasses that I could stack up against one.

I also agree that a hoppy beer would be an interesting addition to the comparison since Dude and I stuck with malty brews during our "research."

For Evan - the concern that beer will go flat due to excess bubbling is unfounded. The beer retained its carbonation after 30 minutes in a SA glass (nursing the beer for sure, but we want worst case scenarios, right?).
 
To get the same bubble formation as the SA glass save money and simply serve your beer in a dirty glass for that extra nucleation :D
 
Yuri_Rage said:
You got any better ideas? Problems without solutions are like condoms when you're alone...useless.

I do agree that the American pint glass is far from the ideal beer glass. A comparison of the SA glass against a more suitable competitor may be in order. I've got some tulip glasses that I could stack up against one.

I also agree that a hoppy beer would be an interesting addition to the comparison since Dude and I stuck with malty brews during our "research."

For Evan - the concern that beer will go flat due to excess bubbling is unfounded. The beer retained its carbonation after 30 minutes in a SA glass (nursing the beer for sure, but we want worst case scenarios, right?).

Hoppy brew would be cool.

Personally, I routinely "nurse" a brew for much more than 5 minutes, rather than throw it back (unless it's BMC). As it warms up, it opens up. So I can't just toss it back like a would a shot of cuervo.

Thanks for the update on the carbonation. How much head does it produce?
 
Dude said:
I will do it again for research sake. I'll post the glasses beforehand to make sure you guys approve of the styles.

Ah, you don't need our approval. Hell, Dude, you're the one who took the trouble to do the research (though I can think of worse undertakings :D) ---just offering up a suggestion to try pitting it agin a more "worthy" opponent. I'd do it, but I don't have any sa glasses...and quite frankly, I don't know where I'd put them if I did. We've got way too much glassware already (bordeaux, burgundy, chianti, martini, champagne, beer goblets, beer stems, etc., etc.). But don't go out of your way. I was just curious.
 
Evan! said:
Thanks for the update on the carbonation. How much head does it produce?
It doesn't produce any head to speak of - the initial pour is still the only source of a frothy layer of foam. It just bubbles steadily, sustaining a very thin layer of foam centered on top of the beer in the glass.
 
Ok, I'll pony up to another test if you like. I'll pit the SA glass against a tulip style glass with an IPA. Can we agree that temperature is a moot point? Does anyone want to specify some additional parameters?

I'm thinking one sip per minute, alternating between glasses, noting any perceptible differences. What else do you guys want to see?
 
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