Anyone Just "No Sparge"

[jfolks]

I'm seeing a lot of really high efficiencies in here! Tests have shown (claims Jamil Z) that efficiencies in the 85+ range can actually have detrimental effects on your beer's flavor profile (I think he said 85+ imparts harsh flavors when compared to around 70%). He said ideal efficiency is 70% - so I'm thinking that 65-75 is what you should be shooting for.

 

[MalFet]

I'm seeing a lot of really high efficiencies in here! Tests have shown (claims Jamil Z) that efficiencies in the 85+ range can actually have detrimental effects on your beer's flavor profile (I think he said 85+ imparts harsh flavors when compared to around 70%). He said ideal efficiency is 70% - so I'm thinking that 65-75 is what you should be shooting for.

That's a bit of an oversimplification. Over-sparging can lead to problems, but I can't for the life of me imagine a mechanism by which high conversion or lauter efficiency would be a bad thing. We tend to talk about efficiency as if it were one thing, but most of the time we'd be better off understanding its components individually.

 

[bob1852]

That's a bit of an oversimplification. Over-sparging can lead to problems, but I can't for the life of me imagine a mechanism by which high conversion or lauter efficiency would be a bad thing. We tend to talk about efficiency as if it were one thing, but most of the time we'd be better off understanding its components individually.

Exactly. Many (all?) commercial breweries are north of 90% efficiency.

 

[patthebrewer]

Wow can't believe I authored this thread last Jan.....

 

[jfolks]

Exactly. Many (all?) commercial breweries are north of 90% efficiency.

hmmmm... i wonder if it's a homebrew thing?

"I ain't often right, but I've never been wrong"

 

[scarnera]

Is anyone using the no sparge method with continuous recirculation of the mash?

 

[chicagowaterguy]

I run my pump for 20 minutes to set the grain bed and clear the wort before I fill the kettle.

 

[TBLbrewer]

Is anyone using the no sparge method with continuous recirculation of the mash?

I recirculate through my boil kettle through out the mash, using a BCS 460 controlled heating element to maintain the mash temp. I then raise the temp to mash out, and average 73% efficiency. I think I would have higher efficiency, but I seem to be getting some channeling along the edges of the grain bed.

 

[owentp]

I tried this past weekend. Had some hiccups but managed to save it. We'll see in about 10 days from now. I have to reconfigure my pex manifold. Think my holes were too large & clogged my recirculation & draining

 

[htc]

Parti-Gyle Brewing!! The best of both worlds.

A few batches ago I brewed a 5 gallon Strong Scotch and hit 1.100 (post boil) with my first runnings. Followed by a 10 gallon small Scottish session ale.

I split my next batch between an IPA and a Stout by adding steeping grains before the sparge.

There is a smooth quality that I get from unsparged grains that I like.

 

[MattGuk]

Dont have a clue if this thread is still alive, but i have been doing full volume no sparge for 5 months now and WILL NOT go back to sparging.
I love the simplicity, time savings and i believe the beer to be much nicer, just my opinion but i have LOVED every single brew i have made this way, hell, even light lagers turn out great, im generally about 70% eff with no sparge

 

[owentp]

What are your batch sizes, grain amounts, and are you using HERRMS RIMS?


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[dobe12]

I BIAB and have done both normal mash with a dunk/sparge AND full volume mash with no sparge. For me, there is too much of an efficiency loss with no sparge. At least with my BIAB system. One plus to BIAB is the fact that there are no stuck mashes or sparges. Pull the sack, dunk in a second pot, give it a good stir and pull again. So there is very little time savings to no sparge. With no sparge my efficiency is around 65-70%. With a sparge I'm around 80% give or take 5%. It's just way to efficient to sparge and get all those extra sugars.... but of course this is just my opinion and using my system.

 

[MattGuk]

I alternate between 23ltr and 46ltr, no r
RIMS or HERMS, just a simple single infusion, 90 min mash, stir, vorlauf and drain.
Done 23ltr batch this last weekend with 6kg of grain and got 1.054 so a little more than 68% this time.
Hete is a picture of my homemade setup using central heating equipment, the mash tun is a 117ltr copper hot water vessle with twin elements and 3 inches a foam insulation and a 21kw burner from a boiler ( furnace )