Anybody dropped a glass carboy full of beer?

[Gar]

You got really lucky. Now go buy a Brew Hauler or a milk crate!

Ive got both and both work very well. i personally like the milk crates. if you go the crate way get the over built thick ones. and for the love of all dont get a better bottle ive saw pics on here of how they deform over time. i cannot for some reason belive they are not leaching nasty **** into my brew. must be that every cupple years they change plastics and tell you not to use the old stuff. sorry not trying to start somthing here but i read where others post get a better bottle and your better off. i gotta tell you ive used glass for better then 20 years and never had a problem and then glass makers have never told me not to use the 20 year old glass.

 

[Gar]

Maybe you just have a bigger carboy!

John Homles carboy company there carboys are 10 gallon:cross

 

[westo2]

I won't move a full carboy unless it is in a milk crate. Even then, I make sure the path from start to finish is clear of obstacles.

 

[jbaysurfer]

Ive got both and both work very well. i personally like the milk crates. if you go the crate way get the over built thick ones. and for the love of all dont get a better bottle ive saw pics on here of how they deform over time. i cannot for some reason belive they are not leaching nasty **** into my brew. must be that every cupple years they change plastics and tell you not to use the old stuff. sorry not trying to start somthing here but i read where others post get a better bottle and your better off. i gotta tell you ive used glass for better then 20 years and never had a problem and then glass makers have never told me not to use the 20 year old glass.

This is uneducated. I've used Better Bottles for years and they don't deform unless you put liquid in them that is hotter then then 125F (even though they're rated to 140F). Even if you go above 125F, the distortion is minor. Go hot enough and glass will break too.

The leaching thing is also uneducated. This is from a glass user who admits he refuses to believe things that we can simply refer to science for the answers too.

For education on the subject rather then speculation go here:
http://www.better-bottle.com/technical.html

 

[moreb33rplz]

For education on the subject rather than speculation, go to the manufacturer's website where they swear their products are perfect in every way.

Admittedly they are pretty convincing.

 

[jbaysurfer]

For education on the subject rather than speculation, go to the manufacturer's website where they swear their products are perfect in every way.

Admittedly they are pretty convincing.

If you can find all the pertinent information on the product anywhere else, I welcome the link. The manufacturer did a pretty good job of it because it knows how science minded brewers can be and that they'd ask questions about those things.

Also, it's convincing because it's technical data, not marketing copy.

 

[kh54s10]

I have been using my Better Bottles for 3 years. Unless you do something stupid, like filling with hot wort, they will not deform. I have never needed anything more than an Oxyclean soak rinse, swirl a cloth then rinse some more to clean.

I,, for one am not afraid of anything leaching out of the plastic. No science here, but I take the manufacturers word and the fact than maybe half or more brewers use plastic with no known ill effects.

I also feel glass is like playing Russian Roulette. If you use them long enough you are likely to have an accident. Bad luck will leave you scarred, disabled or worse. I read that there has been one death attributed to breaking a carboy.

 

[Qhrumphf]

I have been using my Better Bottles for 3 years. Unless you do something stupid, like filling with hot wort, they will not deform. I have never needed anything more than an Oxyclean soak rinse, swirl a cloth then rinse some more to clean.

I,, for one am not afraid of anything leaching out of the plastic. No science here, but I take the manufacturers word and the fact than maybe half or more brewers use plastic with no known ill effects.

I also feel glass is like playing Russian Roulette. If you use them long enough you are likely to have an accident. Bad luck will leave you scarred, disabled or worse. I read that there has been one death attributed to breaking a carboy.

Not doubting you here because given a severe enough cut in the wrong place when no one else is home, I could see it happening, but I'm curious to see a citation.

 

[Hoppity]

Silly analogy from the motorcycle world: there are two types of Bikers: those who have been down and those who are going down. I 've had two carboys break while moving them. I lost a batch in the dark after a long brew day when the brew hauler straps weren't properly aligned. The second was trying to drain one during cleanup by pouring it into a slop sink. It slipped a hair and cracked open like an egg. Both were bloody affairs that only required crazy glue and band aids. I felt lucky with the limited carnage. Each time could have been much worse.

I use buckets mostly now. Have one Carboy left that I handle with extreme caution.

 

[Doctor_M]

Op I'm glad to hear you got lucky! The only glass in my brewing setup are flasks for starters and hydrometers. To each their own I guess but I don't understand why people choose to ignore threads like this https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f11/broken-glass-carboy-horror-stories-compendium-376523/ Just one ER visit could pay for a pretty nice conical or a ton of ale pails/ better bottles.

 

[Doctor_M]

Not doubting you here because given a severe enough cut in the wrong place when no one else is home, I could see it happening, but I'm curious to see a citation.

It's mentioned in the thread I posted above... supposedly severed femoral artery and bled out in a matter of minutes.

Found it in a link within the link I provided.
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f14/carboy-dangers-potential-death-232037/

 

[Qhrumphf]

It's mentioned in the thread I posted above... supposedly severed femoral artery and bled out in a matter of minutes.

Found it in a link within the link I provided.
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f14/carboy-dangers-potential-death-232037/

Wow. That's intense. Maybe not directly homebrew related, but the same could obviously happen to any of us.

 

[Gar]

This is uneducated. I've used Better Bottles for years and they don't deform unless you put liquid in them that is hotter then then 125F (even though they're rated to 140F). Even if you go above 125F, the distortion is minor. Go hot enough and glass will break too.

The leaching thing is also uneducated. This is from a glass user who admits he refuses to believe things that we can simply refer to science for the answers too.

For education on the subject rather then speculation go here:
http://www.better-bottle.com/technical.html

you my friend are the uneducated one. this is so easy to prove you wrong simply go to google type in plastic leaching and guess what comes up? there are a lot of debates. if you have a proven alternative why chance it. on the mater of looking at there website about there product they are selling im sure they will tell you there product is fantastic.

 

[Doctor_M]

you my friend are the uneducated one. this is so easy to prove you wrong simply go to google type in plastic leaching and guess what comes up? there are a lot of debates. if you have a proven alternative why chance it. on the mater of looking at there website about there product they are selling im sure they will tell you there product is fantastic.

Please tell me your proven alternative is SS...because if not I'd rather take my chances with "questionable" food grade plastic over glass. Show me a thread that shows 200 plus posts of people getting hurt/ killed by using a food grade plastic fermentation vessel like there is in the link I posted earlier by people using glass.

I've said my piece I'll try and refrain from posting any further moderators.

 

[podz]

Wow. That's intense. Maybe not directly homebrew related, but the same could obviously happen to any of us.

People can also die by being in close proximity to an exploding bottle of beer. Still, that doesn't keep the better bottle fans from bottling their beer in glass.

 

[Qhrumphf]

People can also die by being in close proximity to an exploding bottle of beer. Still, that doesn't keep the better bottle fans from bottling their beer in glass.

People can also die from tripping and falling headfirst into a kettle of boiling wort. Or over their burner. Or in the shower.

I appreciate the statement of risk. Because with a full glass container that may or may not be slippery, there's a risk that's probably higher and more easily avoidable than most other places in the brewing process. However, I'm not about to stop using glass carboys, just makes me keep the risk in the back of my mind and be even more cautious.

Perhaps those will end up being my famous last words. Who knows

 

[ittybittykittycommittee]

Please tell me your proven alternative is SS...because if not I'd rather take my chances with "questionable" food grade plastic over glass. Show me a thread that shows 200 plus posts of people getting hurt/ killed by using a food grade plastic fermentation vessel like there is in the link I posted earlier by people using glass.

I've said my piece I'll try and refrain from posting any further moderators.

Not to get too off topic (but really, I am), but there is a lot of scientific evidence that pretty much ALL plasticines leach nasty endocrine disrupting chemicals (EDCs), especially when they are thermally stressed (mostly hot temps, but also cooler temps). A number of these compounds are thought to be substantially worse than BPA.

EDCs are thought to be a major factor in a number of developmental issues, including hyperspadias. Google it to learn more, but fair warning (tiny) dick pics.

 

[Gar]

Please tell me your proven alternative is SS...because if not I'd rather take my chances with "questionable" food grade plastic over glass. Show me a thread that shows 200 plus posts of people getting hurt/ killed by using a food grade plastic fermentation vessel like there is in the link I posted earlier by people using glass.

I've said my piece I'll try and refrain from posting any further moderators.

Its was learned along time ago if you want to make your glass carboys safer rhyno line the outside this helps contain it if you break it and it helps keep light out. i have no problem with SS

 

[stonebrewer]

So interesting topic...and timely. I run the DC group grain buy and one of the new guys asked me if I could help him with his grain. I said sure, back problems? He showed me his left arm with about 2 feet of scar where he dropped a carboy one inch, shattered, damn near removed his arm. Fast forward a few days, a buddy stops over, borrows a 6.5 from me for a double batch day this week. Emails me the next day that he dropped it, one inch again!, and it shattered. Luckily he was not hurt. Today my 60L Speidel arrived. I will still use glass for many things, but I am going to hedge my bets with a mix of fermenters and invest in a BH! Whatever you do, be safe folks! Cheers!!

 

[jbaysurfer]

you my friend are the uneducated one. this is so easy to prove you wrong simply go to google type in plastic leaching and guess what comes up? there are a lot of debates. if you have a proven alternative why chance it.

I always find it funny when some very simple rules of debate get completely thrown out the window.

1) Label the action, statement, argument. Not the person who made the action statement argument.

I assure you. If you want to have an adult discussion on brewing topics. We can be friends. If you want to levy insults. Well, I don't need friends like that.

I did not post to defend all plastics everywhere. I posted some very specific information on Better Bottles. If used properly, there is virtually nothing leaching from BBs to your beer. I say virtually because pedanticism can lead to retorts of some things that probably are leaching in uber minute quantities..that you would ingest 10X of in the course of normal everyday breathing....but ultimately, YOUR ARGUMENT is as ineffective as your debate style.

on the mater of looking at there website about there product they are selling im sure they will tell you there product is fantastic.

The irony of you calling me uneducated while failing to realize that I linked TECHNICAL DATA written by a TECHNICAL WRITER, rather then marketing copy, is not lost on me. I highly recommend you try to refute any of the TECHNICAL DATA that page presents rather then attempt to refute its veracity out of hand, summarily, and absolutely before even considering said data.

That's how this works. I presented you with some pretty solid science (regardless of it's source, solid science is solid science), and you replied with ad hoc and playground retorts.

 

[Gar]

I always find it funny when some very simple rules of debate get completely thrown out the window.

1) Label the action, statement, argument. Not the person who made the action statement argument.

I assure you. If you want to have an adult discussion on brewing topics. We can be friends. If you want to levy insults. Well, I don't need friends like that.

I did not post to defend all plastics everywhere. I posted some very specific information on Better Bottles. If used properly, there is virtually nothing leaching from BBs to your beer. I say virtually because pedanticism can lead to retorts of some things that probably are leaching in uber minute quantities..that you would ingest 10X of in the course of normal everyday breathing....but ultimately, YOUR ARGUMENT is as ineffective as your debate style.



The irony of you calling me uneducated while failing to realize that I linked TECHNICAL DATA written by a TECHNICAL WRITER, rather then marketing copy, is not lost on me. I highly recommend you try to refute any of the TECHNICAL DATA that page presents rather then attempt to refute its veracity out of hand, summarily, and absolutely before even considering said data.

That's how this works. I presented you with some pretty solid science (regardless of it's source, solid science is solid science), and you replied with ad hoc and playground retorts.

This is sad i hear on the news all the time plus a simple google search will show what im saying is true. if you are not sapost to ever reuse a plastic water bottle why is that? basic brewing did a episode where a batch was split by James Spencer half in glass half in plastic and in a blind taste test by Steve Wilkes not knowing it was a split batch was gave two beers and told whats the difference? was able to spot and name that one that was plastic. Why do you think that is? Now if you would like to take 2 carboys one glass and one better bottle fill both with water and put a solid stopper in them and give them a cupple week rest tell me do they taste the same?

 

[Randy64]

Nobody ever has a problem with glass carboys until they do. P.S. I have a 6.5 And a 5 gallon for sale.


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[jbaysurfer]

This is sad i hear on the news all the time plus a simple google search will show what im saying is true. if you are not sapost to ever reuse a plastic water bottle why is that? basic brewing did a episode where a batch was split by James Spencer half in glass half in plastic and in a blind taste test by Steve Wilkes not knowing it was a split batch was gave two beers and told whats the difference? was able to spot and name that one that was plastic. Why do you think that is? Now if you would like to take 2 carboys one glass and one better bottle fill both with water and put a solid stopper in them and give them a cupple week rest tell me do they taste the same?

I have split batches between stainless and better bottles before and there was no difference. Your thinking is underlined by the fact that you think better bottles are the same stuff that common bottled water is put into. Name me the chemical you're afraid of. You still haven't read any of the science. All done with trolls for today.

 

[Doctor_M]

This is sad i hear on the news all the time plus a simple google search will show what im saying is true. if you are not sapost to ever reuse a plastic water bottle why is that? basic brewing did a episode where a batch was split by James Spencer half in glass half in plastic and in a blind taste test by Steve Wilkes not knowing it was a split batch was gave two beers and told whats the difference? was able to spot and name that one that was plastic. Why do you think that is? Now if you would like to take 2 carboys one glass and one better bottle fill both with water and put a solid stopper in them and give them a cupple week rest tell me do they taste the same?

So one person did a test and with a 50/50 chance of selecting the plastic better bottle I'm supposed to take that as irrefutable evidence that there is actually a difference in taste between fermenting in food grade plastic vs. Glass and I should just throw away all of my evil ale pails and ask for forgiveness to the glass carboy God's....










Nope still not buying into it.








Doesn't really matter for me though most of my beers are fermented in my stainless conicals anyways. However in the off chance I don't have a conical available I use food grade ale pails.

 

[passedpawn]

I prefer the taste of beer in my better bottles (over glass). I have 6 of them. I've been drinking soda and water out of plastic containers since I was a kid. Why would I stop now? And BTW, those aluminum cans that beer come in are lined with plastic on the inside. Drink up!

I used to have 2 glass carboys. I gave the second one away - after I broke the first one in my pool while chilling.

I'm not careful (smart) enough to use glass. <-- But I'm smart enough to know that.

BTW, OP, glad to hear you didn't hurt yourself. We have 185,000 brewers on this forum and not a single one to spare.

 

[FatDragon]

Its was learned along time ago if you want to make your glass carboys safer rhyno line the outside this helps contain it if you break it and it helps keep light out. i have no problem with SS

Rhyno lining a carboy seems like a great idea. Not likely here in China, though - is there a DIY alternative to Rhyno Liner?

 

[iaefebs]

I'm always curious how the milk crate / brew hauler guys empty the trub, or after cleaning, empty the water? It seems like you would have to remove the carboy from the milk crate and turn it upside down to drain. The reason I ask is one of our club members got a nasty wound when the carboy slipped and broke while he was cleaning it.

 

[Gar]

So one person did a test and with a 50/50 chance of selecting the plastic better bottle I'm supposed to take that as irrefutable evidence that there is actually a difference in taste between fermenting in food grade plastic vs. Glass and I should just throw away all of my evil ale pails and ask for forgiveness to the glass carboy God's....










Nope still not buying into it.








Doesn't really matter for me though most of my beers are fermented in my stainless conicals anyways. However in the off chance I don't have a conical available I use food grade ale pails.

nope fill free to put your beer in what ever you want to. but the reason for my first post was i knew there was gonna be a bunch of people climb up the op azz with the statement better bottles done.

 

[Gar]

Rhyno lining a carboy seems like a great idea. Not likely here in China, though - is there a DIY alternative to Rhyno Liner?

Id look into any lind of rubberized coating that you can paint on

 

[Gar]

I have split batches between stainless and better bottles before and there was no difference. Your thinking is underlined by the fact that you think better bottles are the same stuff that common bottled water is put into. Name me the chemical you're afraid of. You still haven't read any of the science.

You dont get it every time you hear some new plastic is safe it for some reason just happens they come out with a new one and tell you that not to use the old one or in very limited use. i cannot tell you the chemical in toxic waste that im scared of but i do know to avoid it.



All done with trolls for today.

What was that you said about insults? btw remember you attacked my post first.