Another Perfect Game.....not quite

[Beerrific]

It would be cool if Armando brought out the lineup card to him today too.

Jim Leyland said he would be.

Also saw that Bud Selig is considering overturning/overruling the call. I guess he has the authority. He is a buffoon, so he probably will.

Also heard that congress is launching a congressional investigation into whether there should be laws supporting the use of instant replay in professional sports.

 

[shecky]

Also saw that Bud Selig is considering overturning/overruling the call. I guess he has the authority. He is a buffoon, so he probably will.

That would just be the latest stupid move in a tenure littered with them.

 

[Displaced MassHole]

First of all the play cannot be over ruled .

Not entirely true, Bud Selig can overrule the call "For the good of the game."

 

[jezter6]

Bad calls are a part of baseball. Just like bad calls are a part of football, hockey, soccer, and just about everything else.

The guy made a goof and owned up to it, and I think we should all move on. This stupid thing is going to end up in the HoF anyways, even if it's not that it was on the books as a 3rd perfect game in a season of perfection, but this will be a very similar asterisk that will go on the books with the likes of Bonds and McGuire. In this instance, however, I think it's actually much COOLER to go in the books as "the guy who was robbed at first base" than just being one of the 3 who got perfect games this year.

I'm anti instant replay only in that I'm tired of sports (football) that use it to drag out the game. I tell you what...Flyers fans love that there's replay in hockey...that's how to do it with CLASS.

 

[dataz722]

It's not so much when he's introduced that I think he'll be booed, more or less when he is either hesitant on a call or if he makes a close call that goes against the Tigers. I think it would be a class act if the fans gave him a standing ovation before the game though. He has been remorseful and there is no reason to jeer him anymore. He feels worse than anybody else about the situation. Last night I was livid with him, but I've really cooled off and realized it was just an honest mistake at an inopportune time. It would be cool if Armando brought out the lineup card to him today too.

There is no way in hell he will get cheers or an ovation. He screwed up and and apologized and should be somewhat forgiven. Bottom line though is that he screwed up and should not be getting praised for it. I find that just as stupid as "there is no loser" in kid's sports or games.

 

[BraveSirRobin]

There is no way in hell he will get cheers or an ovation. He screwed up and and apologized and should be somewhat forgiven. Bottom line though is that he screwed up and should not be getting praised for it. I find that just as stupid as "there is no loser" in kid's sports or games.

I'm not saying he should be praised for the situation, I'm saying that the fans should applaud him to show their forgiveness. Darrell Evans got picked off of third base in a crucial playoff situation for the Tigers back in the 80's. Every baseball fan knows that it's a huge no-no to get picked off of third base, well Evans went ahead and did it. It's one of, if not the, biggest mistake that a player can make on the field. The fans gave him a standing ovation to show their forgiveness. I know he was a Tiger player and not an umpire, but the parallel's are there.

 

[Homercidal]

There is no way in hell he will get cheers or an ovation. He screwed up and and apologized and should be somewhat forgiven. Bottom line though is that he screwed up and should not be getting praised for it. I find that just as stupid as "there is no loser" in kid's sports or games.

I don't know. He messed up. He admitted it, and was visibly very upset about it. I think that the fans who see this will cheer for his ability to man up and take the blame instead of using the crutch of his authority, like many in his position would.

 

[dataz722]

I don't know. He messed up. He admitted it, and was visibly very upset about it. I think that the fans who see this will cheer for his ability to man up and take the blame instead of using the crutch of his authority, like many in his position would.

Ok, and I can respect him for being a man about it but the bottom line is that he still screwed up.

 

[Homercidal]

Ok, and I can respect him for being a man about it but the bottom line is that he still screwed up.

Yeah, but it's not like he's drilling for oil or something.,,

 

[shecky]

Lost in all this, of course, is that one of the game's top 10 players ever and a true gentleman, Ken Griffey Jr., retired yesterday. God, when he was in his prime he was the perfect example of a five-tool player.

 

[Homercidal]

I saw that headline too and thought what a shame both things happened at the same time. I'm not a huge baseball fan, but he was a legend in his own time.

 

[dataz722]

Lost in all this, of course, is that one of the game's top 10 players ever and a true gentleman, Ken Griffey Jr., retired yesterday. God, when he was in his prime he was the perfect example of a five-tool player.

Got in a debate this morning with someone I work with. If griffey hadn't missed all those reason would he have the career HR record? I highly doubt it but multiple people thought I was nuts and that there is no doubt he would have.

 

[BraveSirRobin]

I guess Chevy gave Armando a Corvette at the game today. They drove it out when he was walking out of the dugout. Also, when Joyce walked out with the other umpires he was teary eyed and received mostly all applause from the fans.

 

[Rob_T]

If it makes anyone feel any better, Armando Galarraga was presented with a Corvette on behalf of Chevy and the Tigers before the game today.....

Edit: You beat me to it

 

[dataz722]

If it makes anyone feel any better, Armando Galarraga was presented with a Corvette on behalf of Chevy and the Tigers before the game today.....

That is just retarded. What the hell does that have to do with anything?

 

[shecky]

I guess Chevy gave Armando a Corvette at the game today. They drove it out when he was walking out of the dugout. Also, when Joyce walked out with the other umpires he was teary eyed and received mostly all applause from the fans.

Isn't he about 25 years too young for a Corvette?

 

[Beerrific]

Hey I got screwed over at work today and probably make 1% of what that dude makes, where's my Corvette?

 

[Synovia]

I agree. You can't over turn it. If you do, then you are essentially saying that instant replay can be used if there is enough of a public outcry. The rules are the rules and you can selectively apply them.

But isn't that what the umpire just did? Selectively apply the rules? The rules say the runner was out.

A lot of umpires, especially at first, make these close calls based on sound. On this play, the ball was caught towards the top of the web of the glove. It is very possible that he could not hear it and had to rely on what he saw. It is much easier to hear to things happen very close together than see it.

Most umpires watch the ball, and wait for the sound of the (runner's) foot hitting the bag.

 

[Synovia]

Bad calls are a part of baseball. Just like bad calls are a part of football, hockey, soccer, and just about everything else.

Yeah, except every other sport (barring soccer) goes out of their way to prevent them.

I'm anti instant replay only in that I'm tired of sports (football) that use it to drag out the game. I tell you what...Flyers fans love that there's replay in hockey...that's how to do it with CLASS.

Put a 5th umpire in the booth. He'd have overturned that call before Leland even got out to first. It would have sped up the game, not slowed it down.

Baseball is probably the only game where instant replay at worst would have no effect on timing, and could probably speed up the game. Most calls could be reviewed before the pitcher was ready to throw his next pitch.

 

[shecky]

All games are played by humans. They should be officiated by humans. Instant replay is just purely stupid in all forms, IMO. We took pure sport and modified it with technology and, I think, ruined it to a certain extent.

 

[dataz722]

Most umpires watch the ball, and wait for the sound of the (runner's) foot hitting the bag.

That is backwards. Most watch the bag and listen for the pop of the ball in the glove.

 

[Homercidal]

So a sport should be admired for it's flaws?

 

[Synovia]

All games are played by humans. They should be officiated by humans. Instant replay is just purely stupid in all forms, IMO. We took pure sport and modified it with technology and, I think, ruined it to a certain extent.

I want the game decided by what the athletes on the field do, not by whether or not an umpire can see something.


There's a reason the players make millions and the umpires don't: we don't want to see umpires, we want them to call games correctly and stay out of the limelight.

 

[Homercidal]

Look, one of the reasons I don't watch baseball much is because it is full of slow moments. The time between pitches is killer for me. The things that the batter and pitcher do to drag it out... Ugh. But many people enjoy that aspect. Fine for them, but they are also the baseball purists who don't want instant replays because it might make the games longer. I'm all for not making the games longer. In fact, I wish they had a pitch clock! Yes, a clock that counts down, and the pitcher must throw to the plate or a bag within 20 seconds. Radical!

Not so radical is a system where a Manager has, say, 2 red cards that he can play to challenge a called out at a base, or a fielded ball. Not pitches, Strikes and Balls.

Assume, if you will, that a replay takes 5 minutes, and there are 4 of them. The game would only increase by 20 minutes. A long time, but what are the odds of both managers using both cards in one game, and certainly 5 minutes is a very liberal estimation.

And the time could be made up with the use of a pitch clock

 

[srm775]

Lost in all this, of course, is that one of the game's top 10 players ever and a true gentleman, Ken Griffey Jr., retired yesterday. God, when he was in his prime he was the perfect example of a five-tool player.

He should have retired about 3 years ago, instead of continuing to eat up a roster spot and salary from the Mariners.

 

[BeerWars]

Selig needs to overturn that call. PERIOD. There is NO DOUBT to ANYONE that was a PERFECT GAME. The ump who called it safe said he was wrong and has apologized (and anyone else who saw the call knows it was a perfect game). To not call it a perfect game is ridiculousness.

As for replay. I like replay as long as it gets the call right. My Blackhawks got screwed last night because of instant replay. But it was the right call - so I am happy with it.

 

[passedpawn]

All games are played by humans. They should be officiated by humans. Instant replay is just purely stupid in all forms, IMO. We took pure sport and modified it with technology and, I think, ruined it to a certain extent.

I agree .

 

[shecky]

So a sport should be admired for it's flaws?

Yes.

I want the game decided by what the athletes on the field do, not by whether or not an umpire can see something.


There's a reason the players make millions and the umpires don't: we don't want to see umpires, we want them to call games correctly and stay out of the limelight.

But replay puts them in the spotlight. So an ump, official, referee, whatever, blows a call. Big deal. It is sport, nothing more (and that's coming from a guy who makes his living off sport).

Galarraga missed out on an achievement and that's awful. But if after he's dead and buried, the greatest thing that can be said about him is that he pitched a perfect game, well, that's a life not well lived.

He should have retired about 3 years ago, instead of continuing to eat up a roster spot and salary from the Mariners.

Sure, but that makes him not one of the greatest players of all-time how? And not for nothing, but teams kept putting him on the roster.

 

[buffalobrewer]

it's not like it was a triple overtime goal in game 6 of the stanley cup finals that shouldn't have counted......

 

[Homercidal]

Yes.

Care to elaborate on why you feel this way?

But replay puts them in the spotlight. So an ump, official, referee, whatever, blows a call. Big deal. It is sport, nothing more (and that's coming from a guy who makes his living off sport).

Galarraga missed out on an achievement and that's awful. But if after he's dead and buried, the greatest thing that can be said about him is that he pitched a perfect game, well, that's a life not well lived.

This isn't about Galarraga's personal life. This is about the game of baseball. We cannot, and should not speculate on what would merit recognition for living a life well lived. Each of us has a different opinion on what that would be.

Galarraga chose pitching to be his career. Pitching a perfect game would be the ultimate achievement for a pitcher. To accomplish this nearly impossible feat, and not be recognized for it, is an abomination. What we should be looking for is the truth. The truth is the runner was out. It's not a judgment call, and shouldn't be. Selig could use his authority to correct an obvious error. It's not an abuse of power and nobody could say he wasn't justified in overturning a call which even the official who made the call, recognized was incorrect.

No, it's not the World Series. I think it's much more important. Not only does someone win the World Series every year, someone HAS to win the world series every year. It's guaranteed!

So forgive me if I don't share you opinion that baseball ought to ignore reality and embrace faulty calls. It should be doing what it can to recognize the truth.