Amarillo Rhizomes

[day_trippr]

Kinda startling.
Could've just subscribed to it if all he wanted was a bookmark...

Cheers!

 

[SPR-GRN]

Kinda startling.
Could've just subscribed to it if all he wanted was a bookmark...

Cheers!

Startling? this is the internet! two girls one cup was startling, bumping a long dead thread? nope, everyday occurance.

I agree subscribing would have worked, but then we wouldn't be having this interesting e-conversation now would we?

cheers!!

 

[theshoe82]

Startling? this is the internet! two girls one cup was startling, bumping a long dead thread? nope, everyday occurance.

I agree subscribing would have worked, but then we wouldn't be having this interesting e-conversation now would we?

cheers!!

This gave me a chuckle.

+1 for Amarillo. I did a single hop IPA with it before the price skyrocketed. Even a year later I have a few bottles left. It has mellowed very nicely into a strong pale ale of sorts.

 

[Jonathanquist]

where is this subscribe button.

 

[day_trippr]

where is this subscribe button.

Click on Thread Tools in the Forum Menu ribbon and select Subscribe from the drop-down list...

Cheers!

 

[Jonathanquist]

thank you sir

 

[jivex5k]

Interesting....
I found this little number in the details of applying for a plant patent: "The invention would not have been obvious to one skilled in the art at the time of invention by applicant. "
I mean...I don't know anything about crossbreeding plants, or how they created Amarillo, but isn't it essentially the same, just crossing specific hops?
I could see the patent falling under that rule making it invalid.
IDK much about the business world, or politics, but in my heart I know homebrewers should be allowed to grow Simcoe, Amarillo, Columbus, whatever plant they want!!

It's a sticky situation, to be sure. I mean who really owns the rhizomes? Trespassing is trespassing, and if someone chooses to not sell something from their property, by gum it's their right!
It's not like rhizomes are flying away in the wind, the only way to get your hands on them would be to:
1. Crossbreed a similar strain yourself
2. Trespassing
Crossbreeding a strain would be legal, though you couldn't use a trademarked name for it. And it's probably pretty damn difficult AFAIK.

So, in researching, I've come to the conclusion while it sucks, it's their right to not sell a way to reproduce something they created, and it would be illegal to trespass and steal it.
But for aspiring hop growers, feel free to do your best to emulate the properties.

And I'd like to say thank you to all the hop growers who do offer their rhizomes for sale!

 

[SteveM]

Can't help but wonder, since this thread has been necro-posted, if it's patented, or proprietary. There are big differences and in many ways, the legal protections for proprietary stuff is stronger than for patented stuff.

 

[grathan]

It's wonderful to have these patented strains and blends. Do the patents ever expire like they do on medicines?

 

[Crito]

When was centennial released to the public? After 20 or so years?

 

[B-Hoppy]

I don't think Centennial was ever protected as it was bred with public funds at Washington State. Back then, the time frame to bring new varieties to market was about 15 years from the initial crosses. I'm sure some years of trial work have been shaved off the process now that there's so much interest in new varieties.

 

[AnimalHouseBrewery]

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=pts&hl=en&q=patent+hop#hl=en&q=patent+hop+plant&safe=off&tbm=pts

I love resurrecting! Seriously though, just search for Amarillo Rhizomes for sale and got this thread.
I was also unaware of "patenting" varieties, based on one of the posts here i did a patent search and holy frivolous lawsuits batman, I see the unavailable to grow hop market growing astronomically.

 

[superdave12]

right now I'm having a hard time believing that a person can even patent a plant but i love being wrong. can you show me?

http://www.google.com/patents?hl=en

That is what Monsanto is all about!

 

[SteveM]

Wow, this is like an old friend that you haven't seen in a few years dropping in. : )

 

[crabjoe]

Bumping... Wondering when the patent might expire on this hop

 

[Northern_Brewer]

3rd of February next year : https://patents.google.com/patent/USPP14127P2/en

As an aside, Simcoe (YCR14) expired in April : https://patents.google.com/patent/USPP12213P2/en

Citra (HBC394) is patented until January 2029 : https://patents.google.com/patent/USPP21289P3/en

 

[crabjoe]

3rd of February next year : https://patents.google.com/patent/USPP14127P2/en

As an aside, Simcoe (YCR14) expired in April : https://patents.google.com/patent/USPP12213P2/en

Citra (HBC394) is patented until January 2029 : https://patents.google.com/patent/USPP21289P3/en

Once a patent has expired, how soon are rhizomes usually available for sale?

 

[Northern_Brewer]

There's no "usually", as I think these are the first cases of patents expiring on hops, certainly major ones. So we don't know.

But don't expect Amarillo to suddenly appear for sale on 4th February, it takes time for third parties to build up stock. And you won't get rhizomes to start with, you'll see cuttings (and potentially tissue-culture-grown plants) some 2 years before you're likely to see rhizomes, but there tend to be more controls (and practical limits) on movement of plants in leaf.

 

[lurker18]

Usually in the plant world in situations like this, the term is proprietary. They don't even need the patent for them, it is exclusive rights to do with the product what they want. And the patent expiration just means that someone can now go and re create a similar product, can't call it Amarillo though. Just because the patent has expired, it does not mean the farm is going to start handing out rhizomes.

 

[Apimyces]

There's no "usually", as I think these are the first cases of patents expiring on hops, certainly major ones. So we don't know.

But don't expect Amarillo to suddenly appear for sale on 4th February, it takes time for third parties to build up stock. And you won't get rhizomes to start with, you'll see cuttings (and potentially tissue-culture-grown plants) some 2 years before you're likely to see rhizomes, but there tend to be more controls (and practical limits) on movement of plants in leaf.

Growers presumably have non-propagation agreements with the breeders, meaning that even if the patent expires, they still have contractual obligations/restrictions regarding the spread of the cultivar.

 

[Sierra brew club]

Amarillo rhizomes to go please!
and by to go I mean this 2020.
February 5th is my birthday so that would be a great birthday present.

 

[Northern_Brewer]

Amarillo is officially off-patent :
2020-04-18 Application status is Expired - Lifetime

 

[Sierra brew club]

I will take 10 Amarillo hops Please!!

 

[terrypratt1]

Does anyone know if any of the other available rhizomes were once proprietary like Simcoe, Amarillo, Warrior, etc. are. Just wondering if these varieties will be available at some point or if we just need to wait for something better to be developed that replaces them on a farm that doesn't need to lock them up. Don't get me wrong, I'm all about capitalism, but I needs me some legal amarillo and simcoe rhizomes!

I'm sure it's already been talked about here, but hopsdirect has lbs. of amarillo for $13.50!!

Very old post but I just saw now (Hops Direct) - no longer has Amarillo but I just bought 3 pounds of Citra (also or still $13.50). Not thrilled about 5 day USPS - but I am looking forward to the shipment. An outstanding price if these are as I am anticipating - if not only $50 total with shipping.