Allagash/Cantillon/RR "Wild Friendship" Collab

[tehzachatak]

Slight homer here, but the Resurgam blend released a few months ago was absolutely on par with any recent Cantillon Classic I've had.

/end homer

I'm also a serious Allagash homer but I have to disagree with this, I think it's still a step below. To me, Resurgam blends are often a bit heavy on the straight citric sour and have less depth than really good gueuze (which is weird, because I've noted that the fruited Coolships have quite a bit of depth of funk to them). However, I'd take a Resurgam over, say, a St. Louis Gueuze or Boon Oude Gueuze any day.

 

[JBP]

I'm also a serious Allagash homer but I have to disagree with this, I think it's still a step below. To me, Resurgam blends are often a bit heavy on the straight citric sour and have less depth than really good gueuze (which is weird, because I've noted that the fruited Coolships have quite a bit of depth of funk to them). However, I'd take a Resurgam over, say, a St. Louis Gueuze or Boon Oude Gueuze any day.

But specifically the October '13 release batch, you felt this was the case? For me I felt like they dialed up the funk complexity which balanced the sourness wonderfully. I guess it partly depends on what you look for in a gueuze, personally I like a bit more of a sour "bite".

Anyway, the prospect of a blend of the two with some Sonambic splashed in has my head spinning. I wonder if each brewery will decide on their own blend or all follow one specific ratio.

 

[Dunt1]

Every Resurgam I've had has been mediocre. A lot of black pepper notes in the last bottle I had.

 

[Rowingbrewer1]

Slight homer here, but the Resurgam blend released a few months ago was absolutely on par with any recent Cantillon Classic I've had.

/end homer

I agree, and stupac if you haven't had the recent batch you should get your hands on a bottle because it is absurdly good. I would say closer to cantillon than 3F or Tilquin in profile. I don't know what order you prefer them in

 

[oilcan1]

Found 750's of the OG sitting on shelves for the first time ever yesterday in Chicago, I got wood

wait, u talkin Cantillon or Tilquin?

 

[JohnfromPurdue]

I'd argue CC, Beat, Sour Reserve, and R&D Gueuze are all better representations of Belgian gueuze than Resurgam.

 

[Rowingbrewer1]

It's also worth noting that Coolship Resurgam is listed as the 6th best gueuze on BA behind 3f OGV, Cantillon Classic, Cantillon LPG, Upland Sour Reserve, and 3F OG
http://beeradvocate.com/lists/style/14/

 

[Rowingbrewer1]

I'd argue CC, Beat, Sour Reserve, and R&D Gueuze are all better representations of Belgian gueuze than Resurgam.

I've never had R&D Gueuze, but I would absolutely put Resurgam above Cable Car and Sour Reserve. The only Beat that I would put above Resurgam was the batch 3 I had. while 4 and 5 were superb beers, they totally lacked the complexity that the most recent batch of Resurgam had. I love sour bombs, and Beat is my favorite RR sour

 

[JohnfromPurdue]

It's also worth noting that Coolship Resurgam is listed as the 6th best gueuze on BA behind 3f OGV, Cantillon Classic, Cantillon LPG, Upland Sour Reserve, and 3F OG
http://beeradvocate.com/lists/style/14/

I don't think BA is worth noting.

 

[tehzachatak]

But specifically the October '13 release batch, you felt this was the case? For me I felt like they dialed up the funk complexity which balanced the sourness wonderfully. I guess it partly depends on what you look for in a gueuze, personally I like a bit more of a sour "bite".

That's the only batch I've had in the past year (and I've already had 4 bottles of that release, so I'm relatively confident in my feelings about it). I remember the "unbalanced" nature (I'm putting this in quotes because I don't mean to imply that it's bad- I rather like it, actually) being even more strongly manifested in bottles from other batches, but my memories of those bottles are hazy.

Granted, I also haven't had Classic in a while, and I've been mostly drinking Tilquin and 3F (both of which I like much more than Classic anyway), so maybe Classic isn't that deep either and I'm making an unfair comparison here based on vague memories of a lot of gueuze. Classic is certainly less interesting than Tilquin and 3F to me. I should do a side by side of Classic and Resurgam sometime. It's definitely closer to Classic than to Tilquin or 3F.

 

[JohnfromPurdue]

I've never had R&D Gueuze, but I would absolutely put Resurgam above Cable Car and Sour Reserve. The only Beat that I would put above Resurgam was the batch 3 I had. while 4 and 5 were superb beers, they totally lacked the complexity that the most recent batch of Resurgam had. I love sour bombs, and Beat is my favorite RR sour

Frankly, they are all great AWAs and everyone is going to have different opinions and rankings. Plus, batch variation and age matters. I've had Resurgam once next to some awesome Belgians and some of those that I mentioned. I just remember it being my least liked.

 

[Rowingbrewer1]

Frankly, they are all great AWAs and everyone is going to have different opinions and rankings. Plus, batch variation and age matters. I've had Resurgam once next to some awesome Belgians and some of those that I mentioned. I just remember it being my least liked.

Totally understood on variation, and not just batch to batch but bottle to bottle as well. I enjoyed all the beers you mentioned when I had them, and ironically enough it was next to the resurgam as well. It may also be worth noting that like backfat I prefer hanssens to cantillon 3F and Tilquin, so 99.2% of the lambic drinking community may wish to totally disregard my opinion

 

[Dunt1]

I'd argue CC, Beat, Sour Reserve, and R&D Gueuze are all better representations of Belgian gueuze than Resurgam.

CC and R&D Gueuze taste nothing like a gueuze

 

[Dunt1]

wait, u talkin Cantillon or Tilquin?

Tilquin

 

[oilcan1]

Tilquin

damn, shelf turd up here

 

[stupac2]

I agree, and stupac if you haven't had the recent batch you should get your hands on a bottle because it is absurdly good. I would say closer to cantillon than 3F or Tilquin in profile. I don't know what order you prefer them in

I've had a very recent batch, though I don't know exactly what the bottling date was. It's really good, but it's not on the same level as the other ones. I think I'd also pick Cable Car over it. R&D Gueuze was not impressive to me.

 

[Rowingbrewer1]

damn, shelf turd up here

Seriously, that stuff sits in mass like you wouldn't believe, and I buy one on a fairly regular basis. the same can be said about almost all gueuze save for cantillon, and that has got to be just a supply thing. and actually makes me wonder wbout the amount of lambic that each place is producing.

 

[Rowingbrewer1]

I've had a very recent batch, though I don't know exactly what the bottling date was. It's really good, but it's not on the same level as the other ones. I think I'd also pick Cable Car over it. R&D Gueuze was not impressive to me.

You're from Cali, so I think you are contractually obligated to choose cable car, so i won't hold that against you.

 

[JohnfromPurdue]

CC and R&D Gueuze taste nothing like a gueuze

What's your definition of nothing?

 

[ASUBeer]

Seriously, that stuff sits in mass like you wouldn't believe, and I buy one on a fairly regular basis. the same can be said about almost all gueuze save for cantillon, and that has got to be just a supply thing. and actually makes me wonder wbout the amount of lambic that each place is producing.

You have my permission to ship 3F down here by the case load. I never see any.

 

[drgarage1]

You have my permission to ship 3F down here by the case load. I never see any.

Tends to hang around San Francisco, as well.

 

[SeaWatchman]

Tends to hang around San Francisco, as well.

Just had a boatload of it delivered from San Diego area today.

 

[Lurkaholic]

A/C/RR--"WF"

Pours yellow with orange notes. Nose is funk, taste is citrus and funk. Head is bubbles.
10/10

 

[Impax]

Seriously, that stuff sits in mass like you wouldn't believe, and I buy one on a fairly regular basis. the same can be said about almost all gueuze save for cantillon, and that has got to be just a supply thing. and actually makes me wonder wbout the amount of lambic that each place is producing.

I have never not seen Tilquin on the shelves here in MA. 3F also sits for awhile too. I found some 3F OG from '10 at Granite this past spring. Still have the few bottles I picked up in the fridge.

 

[tehzachatak]

I have never not seen Tilquin on the shelves here in MA. 3F also sits for awhile too. I found some 3F OG from '10 at Granite this past spring. Still have the few bottles I picked up in the fridge.

3F depends on the place, it goes fast at the Craft Beer Cellar-type stores but sticks around at the less beer nerdy stores. ******' 3F Kriek disappears in days or less at this point though, I h8 it.

 

[Rowingbrewer1]

3F depends on the place, it goes fast at the Craft Beer Cellar-type stores but sticks around at the less beer nerdy stores. ******' 3F Kriek disappears in days or less at this point though, I h8 it.

I can usually still find the kriek, just wish it was 750s

 

[Osyrus]

The entire concept of 3F sitting on a local shelf at all is completely foreign to me.

Come back, Shelton....

 

[Rowingbrewer1]

The entire concept of 3F sitting on a local shelf at all is completely foreign to me.

Come back, Shelton....

for the most part, its the golden blend at $30/375ml that is sitting, but there are a few stores with 750s and 375s of OG and 375s of the kriek sitting as well ast 750s of Sch Kriek

 

[Dunt1]

I would do vile things for 3F and Tilquin 750s to be sitting on the shelf near me

 

[Lurkaholic]

I would do vile things for 3F and Tilquin 750s to be sitting on the shelf near me

If you can handle the extreme, extreme depravity, there is always the option of moving to canada.