wailingguitar
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Right, I see your point... I'm a little muddled from sleep deprivation after listening to those bozos until the end, then, as a result, not sleeping!
Alabama vote.
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For mine it's simple. I sent money to Dixon but then he retired. I will be sending campaign contributions to McCutcheon and I'd encourage anyone to do the same. I'm willing to be a bit forgiving to my personal rep as he's new and doesn't have much pull but whether I will contribute to his campaign this time around remains to be seen. Either way I suspect that if campaign contributions came in en mass to supporters of the bill with accollades for supporting it we'll continue to make headway. As it stands because of failure to fix this mess... It amuses me greatly that nearly every household in the state of Alabama are Felons and will continue to be so because of both idiots and a laughable work ethic from our politicians.
DocBrown
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From the various messages relayed from Mac and company, my guess is that Mac had the (more restrictive) bill we'd worked out all ready to go but could never get ABC to formally respond. Since they kept dragging their feet, and session days were passing one by one, he finally just dropped in the bill from the previous year to force their hand.
The bill didn't even get a committee hearing in the House until around the middle of the session, which resulted in us not getting into the Senate until the last few days of the session. My take on this year is that a lot of the blame rests with ABC dragging their feet. Since we have a reasonable bill, it should be pre-filed for next year, preferably in both the house and senate at the same time.
The bill didn't even get a committee hearing in the House until around the middle of the session, which resulted in us not getting into the Senate until the last few days of the session. My take on this year is that a lot of the blame rests with ABC dragging their feet. Since we have a reasonable bill, it should be pre-filed for next year, preferably in both the house and senate at the same time.
homebrewdad
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As a lifelong fan of both the Auburn Tigers and the Chicago Cubs, "wait 'till next year" is singularly unsatisfying for me.
aubiecat
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That is the best strategy, since we got the bugs worked out of the bill, now we can get started early. Putting a in both the house and the senate is absolutely the way to go. That is an effective way to make sure your are heard in the legislature.
I wonder if Holtzclaw is the guy we want in the senate though?
wailingguitar
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Yeah, he has some ... no, no... A LOT of explaining to do. I can check with my Senator, Tammy Irons, grill her and see if she has what it takes. She says she has always supported the bill, her record seems pro beer with the exception of a NO on the recent container size bill. I know she is popular locally and seems to have worked hard. Worth considering at least
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wailingguitar
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Yeah, wait until next year makes me physically ill... It's been 35 years since Carter signed the national law, that's more than long enough.
homebrewdad
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Yeah, wait until next year makes me physically ill... It's been 35 years since Carter signed the national law, that's more than long enough.
This +1000.
wailingguitar
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Talked to.Holtzclaw's secretary earlier. I think they know they dropped the ball, but won't man up to really admit it.
It is not impossible for it to come up in special session, but that is a most remote possibility. The best hope there is to pester Govern. Bentley to have it on calendar.... remind him we have been waiting 35 years...
It is not impossible for it to come up in special session, but that is a most remote possibility. The best hope there is to pester Govern. Bentley to have it on calendar.... remind him we have been waiting 35 years...
I sent out several emails ,expressing my disappointment , but in a positive way , hoping that we can come back next year stronger , and with more support. I think it would help if we became a stronger movement next year with maybe some regional meetings to gain support from all the homebrewers in the state. I know on the alahombrewing.org website , it says AHA estimates 5000 homebrewers live in Alabama, out of the 750,000 homebrewers in the entire United States.
We need support from every homebrewer if we're ever going to get this bill passed.
http://www.alahomebrewing.org/
We need support from every homebrewer if we're ever going to get this bill passed.
http://www.alahomebrewing.org/
aubiecat
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I agree, we have to mobilize the troops this coming year. We need to make all homebrewers in Alabama aware of the movement and what it means to them. I think this years work actually sets next year up pretty well.
Orthobrewsky
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I may just live in a high homebrewer density area, but it seems like there has to be a lot more than 5000. However, I think only a small percentage know it's illegal.
As has been pointed out, there is just little in the way of self serving motivations for politicians to pass this. Unfortunately, such motivations are the primary movers of politicians. However, they don't mind occasionally doing something that appeals to their sense of what just makes sense, if they have time (and sense). So, there is the potential to get this through both houses if we can just get it moving early enough. What FTH did with their 2 bills moving in opposite directions was obviously a good plan and, still, they almost ran out of time. But they succeeded.
CGVT
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This is the first time that I have payed any attention to the state legislature and as I see it, one of the problems is that there are very few legislators that are as strongly for the bill as there are strongly opposed. Guys such as Wallace and Laird really feel that they are doing God's work when they oppose any alcohol related bill. I think even those that support the bill (other than Mac) don't feel strongly enough about it to back it seriously. It is just not a wise political move in this state. The "it's bad for chirren" argument, although BS, is just too strong.
Add that to the strength of the Bible thumping prohibitionist lobby and it is going to be a tough row to hoe to get any homebrew bill passed.
Add that to the strength of the Bible thumping prohibitionist lobby and it is going to be a tough row to hoe to get any homebrew bill passed.
Orthobrewsky
Senior Member
This is the kind of thing which has occurred to me. Most people, if asked, would say it should be legal, but who would have strong feelings in favor of our bill? Home brewers would, but it's hard to imagine many others. There aren't many prohibitionist religious fanatics, but there may be more of those than there are home brewers. Also, since it is legal to be a prohibitionist religious fanatic, they can more easily organize and publicly advocate for their cause.
Still, since it has made it through both houses in different years, it does seem possible to get it through both in one year. Since the governor signed the bottle bill, rather than washing his hands of it by letting it pass without his signature, I think the odds are better than even that he'd sign our bill as well. It probably would have passed the senate if it had arrived there with a few weeks to spare. The problem with coming late is, like you say, it's just not at all a priority for these people. They'll pass it on a lazy afternoon when there's not much going on, but not in the last few days of the session.
Maybe we should find out how Utah did it where Mormons don't even approve of carbonated beverages.
CGVT
Senior Member
Ha! Good thought.
The cynic in me thinks that there will always be a reason for it to get held up or not make it to the floor. The optimist agrees that it was a timing issue this year.
People who think we are backward should go there for a while.
CGVT
Senior Member
We are pretty backward...
aubiecat
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We are pretty backward...
No "WE" aren't. It only takes one turd to contaminate a swimming pool.
CGVT
Senior Member
Easy there big fella.
I'm just joking, but every now and then something happens to make me think that I'm really living in that underground society in A Boy and his Dog...
I'm just joking, but every now and then something happens to make me think that I'm really living in that underground society in A Boy and his Dog...
wailingguitar
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We are pretty backward...
Tell that to NASA... or maybe the pioneering cardiologists and oncologists at UAB... Not trying to be a jerk, you know I'm not... we're on the same team! But just because there's an issue or four that we fall behind on, doesn't mean we're backwards. Let me tell you, I lived in Oregon for a good while and there was some CRAAZZZY backwards stuff going on there.... and they are supposed to be one of the progressive states! Racism? Was FAR, FAR worse where I grew up in Michigan than I have ever seen here... It's just that the backwardsness that is right in your face tends to rankle you more. Believe me, there are idiots and red-necks EVERYWHERE and they are all the same!
aubiecat
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So was I.
CGVT
Senior Member
Easy guys.
Like I said, I was just joking.
I grew up in Michigan and have lived all over the country. You are right, there are ignorant people everywhere, some places more than others for sure. This is my second tour (Coast Guard) in the Mobile area and there are much worse places in this country to live and raise a family. As a matter of fact this is a pretty damn good place to live. That is why I chose to finish up my Coast Guard career and move here to retire and raise my family.
I lived in Vermont for a while and I joke that I was considered to be an ultra-conservative when I lived there and when I moved to Alabama I became a bleeding heart liberal. The strange thing about that is my political views haven't changed...
Like I said, I was just joking.
I grew up in Michigan and have lived all over the country. You are right, there are ignorant people everywhere, some places more than others for sure. This is my second tour (Coast Guard) in the Mobile area and there are much worse places in this country to live and raise a family. As a matter of fact this is a pretty damn good place to live. That is why I chose to finish up my Coast Guard career and move here to retire and raise my family.
I lived in Vermont for a while and I joke that I was considered to be an ultra-conservative when I lived there and when I moved to Alabama I became a bleeding heart liberal. The strange thing about that is my political views haven't changed...
wailingguitar
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I lived in Vermont for a while and I joke that I was considered to be an ultra-conservative when I lived there and when I moved to Alabama I became a bleeding heart liberal. The strange thing about that is my political views haven't changed...
That made me LOL
And thanks for your service... my bro is a retired Coastie, he was on the Pershing out of Mobile for a couple years in fact. You guys don't get one iota the credit you deserve!
At least they allow wine in Mississippi and don't consider equipment that could be used in the making of beer to be a felony... Basically every single household in Alabama is filled with felons in Alabama apparently.
That said, I've lived in Alabama more than anywhere at this point and while Tennessee ran a close second... Any chance of me being a bleeding heart liberal was butchered completely beyond possibility by spending a half a decade stint in California... However, I am not a huge fan of the Republican Perverts who are determined to participate and give me instructions for the privacy of my bedroom... Nor am I fan of the Democrat Thieves who eye my wallet greedily and want to use it to fund lazy people to enslave a generation. Find me a candidate who fits neither of those descriptions and I'll invite them over for a brewday.
Things like this nonsense will further cynicize me. I can see it already.
That said, I've lived in Alabama more than anywhere at this point and while Tennessee ran a close second... Any chance of me being a bleeding heart liberal was butchered completely beyond possibility by spending a half a decade stint in California... However, I am not a huge fan of the Republican Perverts who are determined to participate and give me instructions for the privacy of my bedroom... Nor am I fan of the Democrat Thieves who eye my wallet greedily and want to use it to fund lazy people to enslave a generation. Find me a candidate who fits neither of those descriptions and I'll invite them over for a brewday.
Things like this nonsense will further cynicize me. I can see it already.
WildOnions
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I think we are the same person. Not sure wait till next year counts for Auburn anymore though
Also, there are dumb people in every single state. Only a fool would label a redneck stupid just because they're rednecks. The problem working against Alabama as I see it are the dumb people that get noticed are terribly rough and *some* of the people who are looked at as not supposed to be dumb (even tho I think that's the biggest misnomer of all of them) would give your average rock a run for their money... Alvin Holmes is a prime example related to our current topic. The man's resume looks impressive on paper but hearing the man talk makes me wish I was talking to 6 year old. They're about even honestly.
The only good that came of this session is I'm 100% sure Greg Wren will NOT receive a future vote from myself NOR will he receive any campaign contributions from me even if some crazy bastard is running against him.
aubiecat
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Speaking of Alvin Holmes as illiterate as he is just think about the people who keep electing this imbecile. He has been a state representative for 35 years.
BTW, Holmes' great contribution to the legislative process this year was a bill trying to outlaw saggy pants. The senate laughed that bill out the window.
BTW, Holmes' great contribution to the legislative process this year was a bill trying to outlaw saggy pants. The senate laughed that bill out the window.
Blackfoot26
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I used to live in Alabama before my homebrewing days. The first thing I said when I got there was "what do you mean I can't get a beer on Sunday?"
Thank God for Fort Rucker's class VI. Saved my ass on game day many a time...although the selection was, shall we say....limited.
If you want to see how crazy/corrupt Alabama politics are, look at Ronnie Gilley and the Country Crossing debacle.
Thank God for Fort Rucker's class VI. Saved my ass on game day many a time...although the selection was, shall we say....limited.
If you want to see how crazy/corrupt Alabama politics are, look at Ronnie Gilley and the Country Crossing debacle.
That particular topic is not purely an Alabama thing. Also, I think you can buy it in some counties on Sundays as I've been told you can buy it in Montgomery then.
