A Tribute to Hunahpu

[sfrisby]

i'm thinking more like 6 months to a year. I'm sure you could drink it before then, but you would probably wish you didn't.

+1

 

[Oophaga]

I agree, even a regular imperial stout I brewed it takes a good 6 months for its to come together. It just keeps getting better after that.

 

[edecambra]

I'm glad to have found this thread. I tried to make a big hunahpu esque RIS a few years ago and it turned out nothing like what I wanted! That is an amazing beer, and if you are within 5 hours of Tampa, or even more, you should consider the Hunahpu day, a great festival with lots of amazing beers that you may have trouble finding even if they were in your area! Fun day and great beer.

I had MZ last Saturday night at the tasting room and DAMN it is one of my favorites, super rich, viscous coffee, sweet toffee malts to back it up, and as thick smooth and chewey it isn't cloying at all! Amazing over the top yet balanced brew. I may just give this recipe a go as well, just get to get some MO malts...

Cheers,

 

[DiscDoc]

I'm now 4 weeks into my secondary with 6oz Cacoa nibs and 2 weeks of chile and vanilla at scaled amount as printed on the barrell pic... Tasted today with coffee and vanilla notes...no chocolate or chile yet. Trying to decide if I should add more. Adding cinnamon today as well. Anyone else tasting yet.

 

[kengetty]

After 6 days it looks like primary fermentation stopped at 1.050 - clocking in at 10.50%. I had a couple friends try the hydrometer sample and they were dumbfounded that there was no added coffee. Some big roasty/coffee and medium bitter chocolate notes. All my friends asked me to carb this one ASAP and were disappointed when I told them that I was planning on substantial secondary editions. I wish I had an MZ to compare and contrast, but this beer already stands on its own.

I am thinking of splitting the batches and aging 2.5 gallons on a oak spiral. Now to decide on what type of alcohol to soak the spiral in...

 

[Tamarlane]

I'm now 4 weeks into my secondary with 6oz Cacoa nibs and 2 weeks of chile and vanilla at scaled amount as printed on the barrell pic... Tasted today with coffee and vanilla notes...no chocolate or chile yet. Trying to decide if I should add more. Adding cinnamon today as well. Anyone else tasting yet.

I have never really picked up too much chocolate or chile in the real hunahpu so I wouldn't worry about that. Over time everything will meld and blend and change though so you may pick it up eventually

 

[WhizardHat]

Anyone in bottles yet? I bottled up 2 days ago. Tasting notes on bottling day: a bit heavy on the cinnamon and cacao. Can barely detect vanilla/oak/chiles. The astringency from the 80 IBUs and 6# of roast/choco has really mellowed out. It's been so long since I've had MZ and/or Hunahpu, so who even knows if I'm close, but it's a really good stout, that's for sure. Can't wait til it's carbed up and I can try one of these bad boys.

I'm planning to wax seal the bottles and then mark them with the year. I hope to brew a big ass stout every year and do verticals.

 

[DiscDoc]

Anyone in bottles yet? I bottled up 2 days ago. Tasting notes on bottling day: a bit heavy on the cinnamon and cacao. Can barely detect vanilla/oak/chiles. The astringency from the 80 IBUs and 6# of roast/choco has really mellowed out. It's been so long since I've had MZ and/or Hunahpu, so who even knows if I'm close, but it's a really good stout, that's for sure. Can't wait til it's carbed up and I can try one of these bad boys.

I'm planning to wax seal the bottles and then mark them with the year. I hope to brew a big ass stout every year and do verticals.

How much Cacao,vanilla, chile, and cinnamon did you end up using

 

[allenH]

Life is Like hit distro today in my area, they received the same amount as Zhukov, 1 case. It was a 1 bottle limit at $25 a bottle. If you are hoping to get some, better hurry up and get to your local liquor!

On topic: going to secondary this weekend, not sure on the additions just yet. I've been waiting for some feedback on how all of yours is doing.

 

[Oophaga]

I tried to get a bottle of life is like, but got to total wine before they got the shipment, left and they got it and sold out. Sucks.

So here is my hunahpu inspired recipe, I am thinking a 1lb of lactose I am aiming for a fg of 1.37-1.04. I know lactose isn't normally used in an imperial stout nor hunahpu, but I am leaning on their other imperial stouts, like the moat water and recent imperial milk stout with espresso.

Amt Name Type # %/IBU
15 lbs 4.0 oz Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 1 64.2 %
2 lbs Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 2 8.4 %
2 lbs Oats, Flaked (1.0 SRM) Grain 3 8.4 %
1 lbs 4.0 oz Carafa III (525.0 SRM) Grain 4 5.3 %
1 lbs 4.0 oz Chocolate Malt (450.0 SRM) Grain 5 5.3 %
1 lbs Roasted Barley (500.0 SRM) Grain 6 4.2 %
8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 80L (80.0 SRM) Grain 7 2.1 %
4.0 oz Black (Patent) Malt (500.0 SRM) Grain 8 1.1 %
4.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt -120L (120.0 SRM) Grain 9 1.1 %
2.00 oz Warrior [16.00 %] - Boil 90.0 min Hop 10 83.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) [50.28 ml] Yeast 11 -
1.0lb lactose

Starting gravity 1.119 fg 1.037 US05 mash at 158 is what beersmith says but I was thinking 155, any suggestions?

 

[allenH]

That sucks. I know Total Wine on 50 got 4 cases today, is that where you went?




My best guess is that Life is Like is from these barrels. My bottles date is 8/13/13, so that means the were in the barrels for 5 months!
Your beer looks good, I would definitely stick with the 49% base malt thing, that has to be where the ridiculous viscosity comes from. The only other stout I made used US-04, I definitely prefer the 1968. Last time I checked mine, it was sitting at 1.040 and you could taste it (in a good way). Moat Water is a awesome beer, one of my favorites. We have been toying with adding lactose at bottling, but we will start with half a pound and taste it. Mine will probably end up with bourbon oak, cocoa nibs, lactose and vanilla beans. Maybe.

 

[Oophaga]

Yeah. I got there super early and was too early. A friend went after and missed it. Worst part of cigar city is there isn't enough! Haha

Yeah I may change it. I am going for a possible glenmorangie Quinta ruban oaked imperial stout. I may make it plain first.

 

[Oophaga]

Got a bottle of life is like!!! Woo! Hey Allen you a member of the new semine county brew club? They are meetin next Thursday at busters bistro. I may head up there I'm on their Facebook page.

 

[WhizardHat]

http://imgur.com/w08BLAk

First sample from a Jolly Pumpkin snifter.

Poured with one hand while my brewing partner was chugging similac from my other hand.

Appearance: viscous, black as night, dark head. Darker than any other stout I've had. Looks like a lot of carbonation, but that's probably from my sloppy pour. The head sticks around for the whole party, which was surprising.

Aroma: boozy, dark sweet malt.roasted bitter grains. This is a manly stout.

Taste: rich, desert stout. The spices take a back seat to a powerful malt presence. I'm getting it all, roasted grain, chocolate, hop bitterness, vanilla, even the tobacco flavor described on CCB's profile of the beer. You can tell it's boozy from the beginning to the end of each sip. As it warms up I get the dark fruit flavors, more booze and it feels like it gets blacker and thicker.

Mouthfeel: thick, sweet, alcoholic. Just right.

Overall: it's been so long since I've had MZ or Hunahpu that I can't even comment whether it's closer or not, but I can tell you I'm holding a delicious, powerful beer that don't take no **** from nobody. I wish I had ten gallons.

 

[allenH]

Got a bottle of life is like!!! Woo! Hey Allen you a member of the new semine county brew club? They are meetin next Thursday at busters bistro. I may head up there I'm on their Facebook page.

No, not a member yet. I was at buster's bistro last Friday for the first time, that place is awesome! See if they still have the Troubadour/Arbor Brewing collab, I believe the name is Mundus Vetas, it's a hopped up Rye Tripel, and it's amazing. I have my son on Thursdays, so I won't be making it up there.

 

[Oophaga]

WH- That is one glorious looking beer! I love the description dessert stout as well. I may have to brew a fairly close clone to yours from the looks of that picture!

Allen, if you have Facebook join their group. Its free and you can keep an eye open for meetups not on Thursdays or whatever. I haven't been to buster's yet, been wanting to though. I am hoping to make it up there Thursday.

 

[WhizardHat]

WH- That is one glorious looking beer! I love the description dessert stout as well. I may have to brew a fairly close clone to yours from the looks of that picture!

I thought you already had one going, Ooph! I think the general consensus here is that skibb's clone is probably closer to the real deal. But yeah, you gotta brew one of them for sure!

 

[Oophaga]

Just been brainstorming. Will probably brew two weeks from today. Got a full fermentation fridge. We'll see, ill keep posted either way.

 

[edecambra]

Wow, that photo looks like the real stuff! I am alwasy struck by how dark the head is on Hunahpu/ MZ and how oily black and viscous it is. That looks promising and I may have to get on to brewing this soon.....

 

[allenH]

http://imgur.com/w08BLAk

First sample from a Jolly Pumpkin snifter.

Poured with one hand while my brewing partner was chugging similac from my other hand.

Appearance: viscous, black as night, dark head. Darker than any other stout I've had. Looks like a lot of carbonation, but that's probably from my sloppy pour. The head sticks around for the whole party, which was surprising.

Aroma: boozy, dark sweet malt.roasted bitter grains. This is a manly stout.

Taste: rich, desert stout. The spices take a back seat to a powerful malt presence. I'm getting it all, roasted grain, chocolate, hop bitterness, vanilla, even the tobacco flavor described on CCB's profile of the beer. You can tell it's boozy from the beginning to the end of each sip. As it warms up I get the dark fruit flavors, more booze and it feels like it gets blacker and thicker.

Mouthfeel: thick, sweet, alcoholic. Just right.

Overall: it's been so long since I've had MZ or Hunahpu that I can't even comment whether it's closer or not, but I can tell you I'm holding a delicious, powerful beer that don't take no **** from nobody. I wish I had ten gallons.

That is some dark head! I just had a Zhukov a couple of weeks ago









The head on yours looks darker, like brownie batter! Awesome job!

 

[VSGLS1]

Had MZ on tap tonight. #Flamesuit on

 

[WhizardHat]

Had MZ on tap tonight. #Flamesuit on

whatever

 

[allenH]

Had MZ on tap tonight. #Flamesuit on

I ain't mad at 'cha. I've never had it on tap, what did you think?

 

[VSGLS1]

I like from the bottle better. No head on tap. Still very good!

 

[Oophaga]

How's everyone feel about such a crazy wort with no pure o's? Seems one option is to use agitation and reoxygenate after 18 hours? Any other suggestions? Not looking forward to spending 60+ for the kit and tank.

 

[allenH]

How's everyone feel about such a crazy wort with no pure o's? Seems one option is to use agitation and reoxygenate after 18 hours? Any other suggestions? Not looking forward to spending 60+ for the kit and tank.

I poured back and forth between 2 fermenters until it was really frothy, then pitched. I did it again after 18 hours, like you mentioned, it really took off after that. The krausen ring was about 16" up on both the buckets.

 

[Oophaga]

I poured back and forth between 2 fermenters until it was really frothy, then pitched. I did it again after 18 hours, like you mentioned, it really took off after that. The krausen ring was about 16" up on both the buckets.

How is your recipe coming along? I was curious about yours. Haven't bottled yet correct?

Whizard Hat did you use pure o2?

Thanks,

Ryan

 

[allenH]

How is your recipe coming along? I was curious about yours. Haven't bottled yet correct?

Whizard Hat did you use pure o2?

Thanks,

Ryan

It's coming along. I just racked both fermenters (3gal in each) into a single bucket, looks like I have a little over 5.5gal. It went from 1.114 to 1.032, so about 10.75%. The taste is all chocolate. Tons of chocolate and it's pretty boozy. I had to punt when all my LHBS had was black roast barley (650-750L), so I dropped it to 2lbs, it is definitely lacking the roast flavor.
I am currently waiting for the groom to finalize his secondary additions, I think this is going to end up with some bourbon soaked oak, a bit of lactose (ala Moat Water), and since the roast isn't there, cold steeped espresso at bottling. Maybe.

 

[Oophaga]

Hearts only carries Muttons as well, I am fairly sure its the same as your referring to, super dark. I have never adjusted for the color difference and never wish I had. Never noticed overly roast flavors in my beers either, maybe it'll work well with the Hunahpu clones, even darker! Surprised how low it's finishing! Good to know. I want a fg of about 1.039+ for that crazy viscosity. Of course that makes balancing the sweetness even more of an importance. Did it have a pretty serious mouth feel?

Also, no surprise a 10.75% is boozy seeing its not even bottled yet! I bet it'll be fantastic 6+mo's in. I'm almost to the point of being able to only try one 12 oz a month to stop myself from drinking all my big beers before properly aged. I'm generally very bad at that.

 

[allenH]

Hearts only carries Muttons as well, I am fairly sure its the same as your referring to, super dark. I have never adjusted for the color difference and never wish I had. Never noticed overly roast flavors in my beers either, maybe it'll work well with the Hunahpu clones, even darker! Surprised how low it's finishing! Good to know. I want a fg of about 1.039+ for that crazy viscosity. Of course that makes balancing the sweetness even more of an importance. Did it have a pretty serious mouth feel?

Also, no surprise a 10.75% is boozy seeing its not even bottled yet! I bet it'll be fantastic 6+mo's in. I'm almost to the point of being able to only try one 12 oz a month to stop myself from drinking all my big beers before properly aged. I'm generally very bad at that.

I don't remember the brand off hand, when I ran the recipe through beer calculus (I'm a cheap bastard), it came out to 83srm with the 300L roast barley. So with the 650-750L, it would have made the srm out of control, so I cut a pound and added a pound Munich II. live and learn I guess.
Had I hit my OG, it should have finished in the high 30's, low 40's. I had too much going on, I had planned on a double mash and 2 hour boil, what I didn't plan on was the humidity reducing my boil off rate so much. When I tested my keggle, I boiled off 1.5gal per hour (in February) with a medium-hard boil. So I collected 9gal to finish with 6. Luckily I measured the boil off the first during the first hour of the boil (burner going full blast) and tested the gravity every 30 minutes. My gravity was coming in too low, so at the 2 hour mark, I added the remainder of the runnings from the second mash (about 2 gallons). 3 hours later, I added my hops. This beer whipped my ass.
The color is there, the body is there. The samples cling to the glass when swirled, just like the Zhukov I had a few weeks ago. It is only missing the heavy roast notes. I am serious when I say heavy chocolate, it tastes like boozy chocolate milk. It will be interesting to see how this beer finishes up.