A question about perfect machines

[BobbiLynn]

Sorry, Dan, didn't hear you come in the door, oh, okay!!! Now I can rest in peace....

 

[BobbiLynn]

Having a "Florida moment"??

Ah, yes, got it though.... I think.....

 

[Dan]

BobbiLynn, BobbiLynn why do your threads make me grin
I know you are serious in what you do say
You're a refreshingly wonderful person in many ways

 

[arturo7]

What is missing from this discussion is the mention of intent. What is this theoretical machine intended to do? If this task is accomplished within specification and without failure, the machine can be said to be perfect.

Let's say I have 3 trees that I need to cut down and turn into firewood. I call up a tree guy and he wants $500 to do the job. Unfortunately, I can only afford $250. So, I go to home depot to buy a chainsaw and on the way home I buy a six pack. That afternoon, I hew the trees and consume the beer.

By nightfall I have a stack of firewood. The job is done. As the chainsaw accomplished the job within the specification, it can be considered a perfect machine.

Who cares if my neighbor borrows it the following weekend and breaks it? It did the job I needed done and saved me $250. It was a perfect machine.

 

[BobbiLynn]

What is missing from this discussion is the mention of intent. What is this theoretical machine intended to do? If this task is accomplished within specification and without failure, the machine can be said to be perfect.

Let's say I have 3 trees that I need to cut down and turn into firewood. I call up a tree guy and he wants $500 to do the job. Unfortunately, I can only afford $250. So, I go to home depot to buy a chainsaw and on the way home I buy a six pack. That afternoon, I hew the trees and consume the beer.

By nightfall I have a stack of firewood. The job is done. As the chainsaw accomplished the job within the specification, it can be considered a perfect machine.

Who cares if my neighbor borrows it the following weekend and breaks it? It did the job I needed done and saved me $250. It was a perfect machine.

So are you saying it was supposed to leak? Half the water drains out and instructions say "just add more"? Therefore, the machine was perfect? Because it did it's job in the end?

 

[Golddiggie]

So are you saying it was supposed to leak? Half the water drains out and instructions say "just add more"? Therefore, the machine was perfect?

What the FRAK are you ranting about??

 

[Kosch]

All matter contains energy; energy is essentially the basis of the universe where all is interconnected. Since the machine was built with the universe's energy, could it be that the machine had more of a purpose than what you intended?

Maybe the machine's actual purpose was to break and have you repair it, and therefore it truly is a perfect machine, just not perfect to your narrowed expectations.

Kosch

 

[Golddiggie]

All matter contains energy; energy is essentially the basis of the universe where all is interconnected. Since the machine was built with the universe's energy, could it be that the machine had more of a purpose than what you intended?

Maybe the machine's actual purpose was to break and have you repair it, and therefore it truly is a perfect machine, just not perfect to your narrowed expectations.

Kosch

Now that's just pure, weapons grade, balonium...

 

[BobbiLynn]

All matter contains energy; energy is essentially the basis of the universe where all is interconnected. Since the machine was built with the universe's energy, could it be that the machine had more of a purpose than what you intended?

Maybe the machine's actual purpose was to break and have you repair it, and therefore it truly is a perfect machine, just not perfect to your narrowed expectations.

Kosch

Okay, so I just add more water, per the instructions, right?

 

[Dan]

Now that's just pure, weapons grade, bullonium...

I'm not to edjumecated. Bullonium = a lot of baloney?

 

[BBL_Brewer]

Perhaps the machine itself is perfect, but the material or part in question with said leak is inperfect. Ergo....just fix it. Or hang out in the shed until your hubby heals up and let him fix it BTW, what kind of machine are we talkin about here?

 

[BobbiLynn]

BTW, what kind of machine are we talkin about here?

Wouldn't we all like to know... I will take your advice though, just let hubby fix it when he gets feeling better... **** that broke piece of crap.

 

[Golddiggie]

I'm not to edjumecated. Bullonium = a lot of baloney?

From Futurama...

Cubert: "Your explanations are pure, weapons-grade balonium! It's all impossible!"

 

[Dan]

Wouldn't we all like to know... I will take your advice though, just let hubby fix it when he gets feeling better... **** that broke piece of crap.

BAM! Now you're talking reality.

 

[Golddiggie]

BAM! Now you're talking reality.

Mannnn, now you're injecting REALITY into the mix??? Bah, highly overrated...

What we need is a fleet of Planet Express ships... I'll take two.

 

[BobbiLynn]

To Dan: Don't bother trying to explain things to them, would only add to the confusion.... Thanks for the dose of reality.

 

[arturo7]

So are you saying it was supposed to leak? Half the water drains out and instructions say "just add more"? Therefore, the machine was perfect? Because it did it's job in the end?

My chainsaw neither leaked, stalled nor snapped it's chain. It's job was to make firewood of three trees. It did this job flawlessly. It was perfect.

 

[Golddiggie]

Now you're all just talking CRAZY!!

 

[Dan]

To Dan: Don't bother trying to explain things to them, would only add to the confusion.... Thanks for the dose of reality.

Hey BobbiLynn
Don't make me chagrined
MY humble words lead to post in the end
I'm not quite sure just what you're running from
No, that's not true and if you were a boy I'd call you son

 

[BobbiLynn]

Hey BobbiLynn
Don't make me chagrined
MY humble words lead to post in the end
I'm not quite sure just what you're running from
No, that's not true and if you were a boy I'd call you son

I didn't mean it like that, my apologies! And not sure why you are talking in prose.... even if I were a boy, you are not of age to be my father! All my love....

 

[BobbiLynn]

Now you're all just talking CRAZY!!

Oh, just now, I thought we just got started???!!???

 

[BobbiLynn]

My chainsaw neither leaked, stalled nor snapped it's chain. It's job was to make firewood of three trees. It did this job flawlessly. It was perfect.

But if it did snap it's chain, you'd be crying a different tune right now, right?

 

[Dan]

I didn't mean it like that, my apologies! And not sure why you are talking in prose.... even if I were a boy, you are not of age to be my father! All my love....

OkAY. Thats true. Not writing now in prose to you. Just want to say hello cause I think you are a pretty good person.

 

[BobbiLynn]

OkAY. Thats true. Not writing now in prose to you. Just want to say hello cause I think you are a pretty good person.

Just to add to the confusion? For our own pleasure? I like you too.

 

[BobbiLynn]

Okay, so I told hubby, the damn thing is busted. His first question, "What did you touch?". So now I'm going back to thinking it was operator failure. He's going to have an engineer friend of ours come out and look at it. Why build a perfect machine if you are the only one that knows how to operate it properly?? I'll ask him about adding the simple "on" and "off" switches, could have saved me a lot of hassle....

 

[BobbiLynn]

Also, if I do have to do it over again, which I hope is not the case, the design would be entirely different, a little more perfect, at least I think so.

 

[gratus fermentatio]

Okay, I have a question and I really do want to have the answer. Maybe someone here knows the answer, if not, just please ignore this topic. Back to my drunken ramblings, scary part, I'm pretty sober.

So you build a perfect machine, it's perfect in every way. Everything is going along fine, then one day it springs a leak. Is it still a perfect machine? Was it a perfect machine in the first place? Do perfect machines spring leaks?

Maybe if you built it to be self-healing? Or it's a perfect machine that just requires a little upkeep?

Would you keep insisting that the machine was perfect if one day it springs a leak(starts leaking)? Would you try to fix it, or just stand back and watch it leak? Because, after all, it was the perfect machine. It must be able to fix itself?

How is something perfect if you have to go back and fix it? The thing I really want the answer to: Do perfect machines spring leaks? Or was it your own mistake to call it perfect in the first place?

The "perfect machine" would not require maintainence, fuel, or outside control. It would be self sustaining. Not even stars are pefect, nor are they self sustaining forever, even they eventually die. Entropy is the only constant in the universe.
Regards, GF.

 

[CreamyGoodness]

If entropy worked at a constant, predictable, mathematic rate... would it indeed be perfect?

 

[Homercidal]

What is this mystery machine? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[maxamuus]

What is this mystery machine? Inquiring minds want to know.

Homer i would think you would remember the mystery machine.