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The real concern here is that all of the beers listed contain DHMO. I am taken aback that this reputable news site would not even list it!

"Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol." ~DHMo_Org

"What are some uses of Dihydrogen Monoxide?"~DHMo_Org
"in the production of beer by all the major beer distributors"~DHMo_Org

Shocking!!! if it's in those beers, it could even be in MINE!!! Aaaaarrrggghhhhhhhh
 
I'd be really sad if someone on here actually believes this Bull****. I posted this very message today, as did Maureen Ogle and all the other brewers who put the article referenced below.

So there's another fear mongering and inaccurate "What's in your beer" meme being passed around facebook again. This one with the title of "8 beers which you should stop drinking immediately." It's made up of pretty much the same ignorant understanding of beer making and beer ingredients, the consumer laws that ALL brewers have to follow as to what they can or cannot but in their beer (regardless of brewery size) and the same questionable sources such as the Center for Science in the Public interest. It's also based on the FALSE premise that somehow the big Macro breweries use different ingredients than the small independent craft brewers and homebrewers use in their beers. Or are somehow not bound by the same laws as the rest of the brewery industry. So this falsehood feeds even many home/craft beer fans who are biased to think that big beer is "evil" and small brewers are holy.

Last year, author Maureen Ogle, author of "Ambitious Brew: the story of American Beer" and "In meat we trust" asked several professional brewers, and one "lowly" homebrewer (me) to research and write up a rebuttal to these fear based, and ignorant pieces. It was such an honor to be included in the ranks of some of the most talented stars of the professional brewing industry to contribute to such an important work.

In whatever endeavor I'm involved in, be it ministry, or brewing, or cooking, or vintage base ball, I try to impart truth and integrity in what I do. And I try my hardest to know the truth about the things I talk, write or preach about, or else they don't come from me. What I create, I stand behind....Unfortunately not everyone does so, and that's why one of things I have chosen to do is shine the light of truth into the darkness of ignorance and fear. And point out the false hoods when I see them. Sometimes that is the unpopular stance to take.

Friends, not everything you read or pass around is true. And not everything out there, no matter how serious it may sound like, is put together with the best intentions, or from the best sources. These pieces feed into the same anti-science fear and ignorance that many people have, be it on the left or right side of the political spectrum. Both sides have their boogeymen... The Left fears GMO's or anything that sounds artificial or chemical or weird, (forgetting that everything in this universe has a scientific, multi syllable, and scary sounding name) including things that we consume every day such as Dihydrogen Monoxide (the water we drink) or Sodium bicarbonate (baking soda,) and Saccharomyces cerevisiae (the yeast in your bread or your beer.) Or anything that comes from big business. The Right fears evolution, or stem cell research, or climate change. Both sides fear vaccines and floride in drinking water.

All of this feeds into the anti-intellectual fear of science and of big words. And no matter which side you fall on, pieces like foodbabe's and this latest piece of scare mongering feeds on this fear. And sadly feeds what Maureen Ogle so rightly calls the "Dangers of Dumbassery" the blind belief in whatever we read or see, without taking the time to do our own research, to think for ourselves.

I'm not telling you what to believe, or what you should put in your bodies. But before you blindly pass on either of those other pieces, I ask you to first read and consider what we wrote, people who actually make beer, either for a hobby or for a living, people who make 5 gallon batches and 5 million gallon batches for the "Big Boys" and everything in between. People who actually know what goes in the beer you drink, the laws pertaining to the beer you drink, and what things are put in your beer, and what scary sounding things might be a part of the brewing process, that doesn't actually touch the beer (like cooling agents that flow around the OUTSIDE of the tank, that work much like the similar chemicals in the cooling tubes in your car's air conditioning or your own refrigerator.)

I believe that the only way to meet the darkness of ignorance is with the light of truth and the light of knowledge. And this piece we took a month to put together was written for that purpose to shed light where it is darkest.

I guess I really just ask that WHENEVER you see something, especially something "fear mongering" (though you might not see it as that, you might think you're being helpful, but in reality you are sowing fear) that you take the time, even 5 minutes do do a little research on google, or one of the urban legends pages like snopes, to see what the counter arguments are, or what the sources of whatever it is comes from, Or if it's simply a myth or lie.

The world needs your brains, not your button pushing skill. The world needs you spreading light and love, and not fear. The world needs you spreading truth, and not ignorance. The world needs you to make informed decisions, not based on one source. The world needs you to think for yourself.

here's the link to the original article I was invited to participate in. Maureen Ogle, et al, The Dangers of Dumbassery.

I love what Maureen said in her intro about why she reached out to us.
...as soon as I read the Food Babe's screed, I thought

"Oh, man. I can see it coming: Some brewers might decide to use this kind of crap to score points with consumers and one-up their competition. Result: a purity war erupting in the craft brewing industry. Nothing good can come of this."

Especially because, as I noted above, people who should have known better spread the Food Babe's crap as if it was gospel.

So, meddlesome broad that I am, I reached out to some brewers, both professional and amateur, and asked if they'd help set the record straight. No surprise, given the kind hearts and generosity that are the hallmarks of craft brewing, I got an immediate response. Much of what follows are their responses to the question "What's in Your Beer."

We ALL need to be on the forefront of killing this crap....
 
Corn is a genetically modified plant, and has been for thousands of years. In fact, corn would not exist without "genetic modification".

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+1. Every single currently harvested agricultural product has been gentically modified for thousands of years. This guy probably thinks vaccinations cause autism, too.
 
+1. Every single currently harvested agricultural product has been gentically modified for thousands of years. This guy probably thinks vaccinations cause autism, too.

You misspelled genetically...

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Thanks for hitting one over the fence with your colleges for us brewers,revs. Dumbassery is right,nothing but what we called in Poly-Sci "glittering Generalities"...:rockin:
 
It was funny, when the foodbabe's one came out, and we put the piece together, I actually lost a facebook friend who I pointed out the garbage in the article. I also got into a bit of an argument with a ministerial colleague as well, pointing out that people look up to her, and believe what she posts, so if she posts falsehoods like this crap without bothering to check sources or anything then she was part of the problem, not the solution.
 
+1. Every single currently harvested agricultural product has been gentically modified for thousands of years. This guy probably thinks vaccinations cause autism, too.

No offense meant, but -1000. That is not "genetic modification". Growers know this. Breeders know this. Agricultural scientists definitely know this.

Genetic engineering, also called genetic modification, is the direct manipulation of an organism's genome using biotechnology. New DNA may be inserted in the host genome by first isolating and copying the genetic material of interest using molecular cloning methods to generate a DNA sequence, or by synthesizing the DNA, and then inserting this construct into the host organism. Genes may be removed, or "knocked out", using a nuclease. Gene targeting is a different technique that uses homologous recombination to change an endogenous gene, and can be used to delete a gene, remove exons, add a gene, or introduce point mutations.

Selective breeding (also called artificial selection) is the process by which humans breed other animals and plants for particular traits. Typically, strains that are selectively bred are domesticated, and the breeding is normally done by a professional breeder. Bred animals are known as breeds, while bred plants are known as varieties, cultigens, or cultivars. The cross of animals results in what is called a crossbreed, and crossbred plants are called hybrids.

If you're a "But THAT'S Wikipedia!" person, we can find a more impressive source (not to be derisive, but this is in HS textbooks). Suffice it to say that is not from an anti-GMO or pro-GMO website.

But now that you mention it I do think we should "genetically modify" certain antivaxers.
 
http://worldtruth.tv/8-beers-that-you-should-stop-drinking-immediately/

Does anyone else feel Guinness is being wrongfully targeted here?

I feel Guiness is very wrongly targeted here.......... I feel that applies to all of these beers though.

I've been reading so much about the dangers of smoking, overeating, drinking, sex, etc.... that I've decided to give up reading.............

GMO has become a dirty word....... without cause, likewise HFCS is chemically virtually identical to table sugar............ And it is fermentable. It's just a blend of sugars in syrup form. Someone else took up the isinglass thing... so I won't repeat it. This article is a load of PURE HORSEPUCKY............

H.W.
 
Yup. Like Dr 13 was told by Superman,"science without conscience is treason to science". That's exactly what those articles are. It's treason to the public at large to spout these glittering generalities without study first. Some are used in processing or temp control that aren't present in the final product,ferment out,or never touch it to start with. And to tell folks to avoid the American counterparts is treason to our economy in general. The grass isn't greener on the other side of the fence mearly because of it's location. The Russians by our grains,turn it into vodka & sell it back to us. No mention of those sort of goings on.
 
When Maureen put the article out I never noticed what she linked from Nathanael Johnson on GMOs, today I've been reading them, pretty interesting and balanced stuff actually. Here's the first article.


Amen.

“It does not appear,” Mellon said, “that there’s any risk that applies across the board to all genetically engineered food and to all people. Each plant is different, each gene insertion is different, each person’s response is different.”

Any anti-GMO person who doesn't get that is one I won't bother talking with about the subject. It's not like this is food exposed to comic-book style gamma radiation, or something. The potentially problems could be as subtle as changing the composition of a protein on the cell surface of the plant, triggering an autoimmune reaction we wind up blaming on MS or Lyme disease or god-knows-what because we won't figure out what is going on until we have 20 years of epidemiological studies to narrow it down for us. And if the product is ubiquitous, we won't even have that. And if and when we even started to get to the tip of that iceberg, there could be millions of dollars of industry-funded studies to fight back (smoking was doctor approved, y'know).

And you could have fifty or a hundred years of genetic modification, but it's not until you make that one, wrong, dangerous modification that something goes wrong.

Most of the time, nothing will happen. Some of the time, something might happen, and you might never know about it. When there's a financial incentive that rewards immediate gains and minimizes liability, I'm going to be a little skeptical. Not crazy, but careful.

Damn, this is one of those "can of worms" threads isn't it?
 
The real concern here is that all of the beers listed contain DHMO. I am taken aback that this reputable news site would not even list it!

"Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol." ~DHMo_Org

"What are some uses of Dihydrogen Monoxide?"~DHMo_Org
"in the production of beer by all the major beer distributors"~DHMo_Org

Preach on!!!

I've been trying to tell people about the dangers of DHMO for years but nobody listens. There's all the stuff you mentioned plus more like DHMO being highly addictive...to the point where total withdrawal from it will actually kill you. It's a major component of Acid Rain. It's used in Fracking and is a major component in the hazardous runoff from that industry.

Just say 'No' to DHMO!!!
 
The article makes one point that I think is paramount in this discussion; after 20 some years of GMO's being ingested,there's no empirical proof that they cause any harm in humans or animals up to this point. Not that it couldn't,possibly. But that they haven't so far. Yet another case of fear mongering. People fear what they don't understand.
 
Preach on!!!

I've been trying to tell people about the dangers of DHMO for years but nobody listens. There's all the stuff you mentioned plus more like DHMO being highly addictive...to the point where total withdrawal from it will actually kill you. It's a major component of Acid Rain. It's used in Fracking and is a major component in the hazardous runoff from that industry.

Just say 'No' to DHMO!!!

In my experience, DHMO can only be neutralized to the point of being safe for human consumption when mixed in proper proportion with a solution of hordeum vulgare, humulus lupulus, and saccharomyces cerevisiae.

Stay safe out there, guys. It's a dangerous world we live in.
 
Aside from corn (corn syrup, corn sugar, etc), what other ingredients that make beer are GMO? I am pretty sure I know the answer. And I am not talking anything crazy. Just the normal stuff that makes beer.
 
I was pretty grossed out when I heard that they had inserted human DNA into pigs to create a leaner pig, but most of the time I could care less about GMO. Most GMO modification of plants are there so that the plant is more resistant to pests/fungus which means less pesticide/fungicide sprayed on my food. Seems reasonable to me.

As for the rest of the article, pure quackery.
 
Preach on!!!

I've been trying to tell people about the dangers of DHMO for years but nobody listens. There's all the stuff you mentioned plus more like DHMO being highly addictive...to the point where total withdrawal from it will actually kill you. It's a major component of Acid Rain. It's used in Fracking and is a major component in the hazardous runoff from that industry.

Just say 'No' to DHMO!!!

DHMO was also regularly given to Nazi soldiers during WWII, many are surprised to learn that it is also used as a "cleaning" agent in children's day-cares
 
Huh, guess I spoke too soon that barley wouldn't be worth genetically modifying, I guess the commercial beer market would be enough to justify that after all (duh).

Google gave me this for "GMO barley", source doesn't seem to be batty:
http://www.gmo-compass.org/eng/database/plants/36.barley.html

Looks like the usual suspects in terms of research aims, including herbicide tolerance (glyphosate/RoundUp being one presumably).

Most GMO modification of plants are there so that the plant is more resistant to pests/fungus which means less pesticide/fungicide sprayed on my food. Seems reasonable to me.

Actually RoundUp Ready(tm)(c)(r)(etc) is a pretty big one. That's a modification that produces resistance to herbicides. So you can use more herbicide. Makes good sense if you're growing it. Not so much if you're eating it.
 
Another quick scan of that report will give you a better understanding, especially the top section. There is a big difference in what is desired and what is really being done.
 
Good point, no approvals yet. So I guess it's not worth their dough, yet.

It will be a cold day in hell when people grow as much barley as they do corn (unless the nonexistent barley lobby figures out a way to get ethanol subsidies).

I suspect it's a more durable crop to begin with.
 
Actually RoundUp Ready(tm)(c)(r)(etc) is a pretty big one. That's a modification that produces resistance to herbicides. So you can use more herbicide. Makes good sense if you're growing it. Not so much if you're eating it.

If you know anything about RoundUp, it is a kill all. The resistance is put in to have the desired plant resist the spray and everything else killed off, therefore they can not reseed themselves. Unless the farmer really screws up and sprays in the rain, RoundUp is very seldom sprayed more than once per crop. Less use of chemicals than just the ones that suppress weeds and lets them grow back.
 
In my experience, DHMO can only be neutralized to the point of being safe for human consumption when mixed in proper proportion with a solution of hordeum vulgare, humulus lupulus, and saccharomyces cerevisiae.

Stay safe out there, guys. It's a dangerous world we live in.

Or freeze it and place the suspended DHMO into a highly alcoholic solution....I prefer bourbon for that myself.:D
 
Going back to my earlier post, outside of corn, I can't think of anything in beer that is GMO modifies. Not wheat, rye, barley, etc. There are no cereals in production that are GMO modified, and with the pressures that are out there, it will be a long way off.
Now there are varieties that are bread naturally for traits. PolarStar for eg is bread to have a much longer shelf life, but it is 99% used by only one brewery (Saporo I think).
 
If you know anything about RoundUp, it is a kill all. The resistance is put in to have the desired plant resist the spray and everything else killed off, therefore they can not reseed themselves. Unless the farmer really screws up and sprays in the rain, RoundUp is very seldom sprayed more than once per crop. Less use of chemicals than just the ones that suppress weeds and lets them grow back.

I get that argument, and I'm sure there are more poisonous options you could pursue without RoundUp Ready crops and glyphosate. It's not an argument I can cozy up to right away, though. I expect it's easier to fall in love with if you expect to benefit from it (as producers and ag products manufacturers do). When a nuclear option becomes the first option, I'm inclined to think there's some short-term thinking at work.
 
Just a bit. "High Fructose Corn Syrup" is just sugar. Fish bladder? They mean isinglass. That crap is just fear-mongering. I support getting people to drink craft beer but this isn't the way to do it.

Here's a counter:

One of the reasons I got into homebrewing and craft beer is because it's more natural.

"Hopping" a beer in Budweiser land is a term meaning something other than adding real Hops. I don't particularly want chemicals and crap in my beer or food.

If getting people into craft beer means telling them the truth about how much crap goes into the stuff that millions consume daily, then more power to them.
 
The other thing that the anti GMO crowd fails to note is that pretty much every orange they will eat for the rest of their lives, even so called "organic" ones will be genetically modified. If not oranges will be dissapearing. I heard about this last year.

A race to save oranges by altering their DNA.

The anti-GMO crowd would totally ignore that.

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The article makes one point that I think is paramount in this discussion; after 20 some years of GMO's being ingested,there's no empirical proof that they cause any harm in humans or animals up to this point. Not that it couldn't,possibly. But that they haven't so far. Yet another case of fear mongering. People fear what they don't understand.

My concern for GMO has less to do with human consumption, and more of a concern for non-modified plants that are usually categorized as "heirloom" because they are grown less due to their genetic "inferiority" or lack of appeal. These "super plants" are often times more drought tolerant, have thicker cell walls to resist insects, mold, diseases, etc. They are designed to sell in supermarkets because of their color, and last long distances without bruising. There are non-GM plants that are selected for these qualities as well, and the culmination of both forces tends to push out the "inferior" plants. In VA we have a number of farms and nurseries that are keeping these heirloom plants in production so that people can enjoy their unique flavors and colors.

Additionally, many GMO seeds are patented. They can cross-polinate nearby farms and ruin their crops by causing them to seed these new GM plants. Larger farm companies and GMO producers will even sue for crops. For example:

Monsanto vs Farmer
"It does not matter how a farmer, a forester, or a gardener’s seed or plants become contaminated with GMOs; whether through cross pollination, pollen blowing in the wind, by bees, direct seed movement or seed transportation, the growers no longer own their seeds or plants under patent law, they becomes Monsanto’s property"
 
Here's a counter:

One of the reasons I got into homebrewing and craft beer is because it's more natural.

"Hopping" a beer in Budweiser land is a term meaning something other than adding real Hops. I don't particularly want chemicals and crap in my beer or food.

If getting people into craft beer means telling them the truth about how much crap goes into the stuff that millions consume daily, then more power to them.

If you brew you should know better..... you're falling for that Craft beer is holier that BMC bull****, that's just as bad, and ignorant as the original article. You should know that the SAME INGREDIENTS AND THE SAME PROCESSES ARE USED IN BREWING REGARDLESS OF WHETHER ITS A BIG CORPORATE BREWERY WHO YOU LOOK DOWN ON, OR A CRAFT BREWER, OR US FOR THAT MATTER.

BMC is no more or less "natural" then craft brewing, or homebrewing.

Have you ever made hop tea? Have you ever steeped some hops in 130 degree water and run them through a french press and added that to your beer at bottling time? Or soaked them in vodka? That's the extraction process...It's still extracting the hop oils FROM REAL HOPS.

There many craft brewers, and a few homebrewers on this very site who have used hop extracts.

I guess you also boycott Lagunitus then...they use hop extracts in their CRAFT BEERS. As also does Russian River in Eldar the younger.

I've been working with nitrogen cavitation for hop extraction myself.
 
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