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beerspitnight

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Three of us (1 seasoned brewer who helped my buddy and I, both virgins) got after our first AG brew yesterday (rough Celebration Ale for my 6 week old son). It was a long day, which started with getting the ingredients and then forgetting the NG tank, going back to get the NG tank, and then getting my Jeep stuck between two concrete walls way back inside a hutong. But we did get going and had a successful cherry popping first brew. Details below.

10 gallon batch - 80 min boil.

10kg of grain - 9kg of pale malt, 500g of cara red, and 500g of cara pils.

Hops - whole cascade at 1st boil, then qingdao flower at 20min, 40 min, 60min and cascade & qingdao flower for last 30 seconds.

We heated the sparge water (7 gal) and initial water for the LT (8g) on my buddy's stove. 1st pull reading was 1.083. Last pull reading was 1.012. Once we got 11 or so gallons in the boil pot we moved the bot outside to the NG burner, but the burner turned out to be crap. We did test it when we first got it, and we weren't too happy with the purchase, but we figured we would give it a shot since the stove was giving us a weak boil. Needless to say the NG burner didn't do all that well and the flame kept blowing out. So we moved back inside and settled for the stove. 30g of whole cascade went in straight away, followed by 30g of qingdao flower 20 min later and 30g 40 minutes in, 40 g 60 min in, and 10 g of qingdao flower and 30 g of whole cascade for 1 turn of the boil at the end .

We lost about 1 to 1.5 gallons of water with the extended time it took to get the wort to a boil.

We chilled in a ice bath in the tub and got down to 26c in about 2 hours. We racked to our fermenter while running the wort through a fine mesh strainer.

Mixed two packets of Fermentis Safale S-04 in 26c spring water, mixed and then pitched to fermenter.

We aren't using an airlock, just a lid that rests on the fermenter.

24 hours later and we have action.

Will update this as we go.

Next Time and Down the Road:
I didn't bring the mesh bags with me so the outlet/ball valve on the boil pot got clogged with the hops.
We'll be getting a new used burner so we can be more efficient in our boil.
We'll either be making (depending on how easy it is to get supplies, which in China won't be easy) or ordering an immersion wort chiller.
Further down the road, we'll purchase a used fridge so we can throw our fermenter into it after primary and do a cold secondary.

Our brewmaster left once we pitched the 1st round of hops, so we were on our own after that. Any mistakes will be chalked up to that, but I am hopeful that we did well.
Would like to cut the time down by at least an hour next time around (April 10th or so) and then once we get the wort chiller, I would expect us to save an additional hour.

I have lots of pictures, but I guess I can't upload them until I have more posts.
 
Congrats!! For both the AG beer and your 6 week old boy. I have 4 1/2 year old girl and 11 month old boy. They are the only thing I love more than beer :)
 
Congrats!! For both the AG beer and your 6 week old boy. I have 4 1/2 year old girl and 11 month old boy. They are the only thing I love more than beer :)

Thanks Rich! My wife got our boy an "Assistant Brewer" onesie/onezy which he wore yesterday...he helped our during the brewing, but slacked off during the cleanup!
 
Racked the CA to secondary today.
Decided to throw 3 oz of whole cascade hops into the secondary to kick up the aroma as it tasted a bit on the low side of the hop spectrum. There was a thick yeast cake on the bottom of the primary.
We'll be throwing it into the kegs on April 16th.

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That looks pretty tasty already :) What was the grain bill for this one? Looks like you converted your bathroom to a bar?? LOL I see beer mugs in the cabinet and a shower head in the mirror!

Rich
 
That looks pretty tasty already :) What was the grain bill for this one? Looks like you converted your bathroom to a bar?? LOL I see beer mugs in the cabinet and a shower head in the mirror!

Rich

Rich-
Grain Bill:
9 kg pale malt
500g cara red
500g cara pils
Yeast - Fermentis S04

That is my buddy's bathroom...not sure why there are beer mugs in there...but at least it gives you something to do while you are doing the do! :mug: The closet where we keep the fermenters is closest to the bathroom so it is easier to just throw it up on that counter than to bring it into the kitchen.

Justin - NG - natural gas, LNG - sorry for the incorrect abbreviation. And a hutong is a small neighborhood of courtyard homes and small, narrow alleyways - mostly they are in Beijing, or they were as most of them have been or are scheduled to be torn down, save for a select few that are protected by the government.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutong
 
Racked this beer to the keg this evening. We were a bit worried about infection as my brew partner went away for a week while this beer was in secondary (dry hopped as well). When he opened the fermenter (we open ferment, with the lid slightly ajar on the fermenter - but in the secondary he completely closed the lid) and smelt what he described to me as paint thinner. We were really bummed to think we lost our first batch of beer, but when we checked it out tonight it was beautiful. We are thinking that when he opened the fermenter he got a big puff of CO2 in the face - once the beer "aired" out a bit it was good.
Beer tasted great - really good hop aroma. Our OG was 1.065 and our final was 1.014. If my calculations are correct we are looking at an ABV of 6.8% - spot on to what our target was.
It is in the keg carbing now. Will pull the first proper pint tomorrow night to see how it tastes on CO2!
 
Good ole celebration ale! Thats the only IPA I've brewed and I love it. I made it last year for the first time after running my first race (NYC half marathon). This year I brewed it in advance of the race so I could drink it immediately following :)
The paint thinner smell is definitely not infection. I smell it everytime I crack a fermentor open. The Barleywine I am conditioning right now... when I openeded that baby and smelled it I almost passed out. Knocked me flat on my ass it was so strong. More like rocket fuel than paint thinner lol. Don't get discouraged too easily for contamination. Keep everything you do clean and it will be hard to make a truly undrinkable beer.
Hope it tastes great! Cheers for the first pint, welcome to a great hobby, and congrats on the baby.
 
Good ole celebration ale! Thats the only IPA I've brewed and I love it. I made it last year for the first time after running my first race (NYC half marathon). This year I brewed it in advance of the race so I could drink it immediately following :)
The paint thinner smell is definitely not infection. I smell it everytime I crack a fermentor open. The Barleywine I am conditioning right now... when I openeded that baby and smelled it I almost passed out. Knocked me flat on my ass it was so strong. More like rocket fuel than paint thinner lol. Don't get discouraged too easily for contamination. Keep everything you do clean and it will be hard to make a truly undrinkable beer.
Hope it tastes great! Cheers for the first pint, welcome to a great hobby, and congrats on the baby.

Thanks Rich - and good luck on your race!

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Drank the first pint last night. Great hop aroma and full mouth feel - not too bad for our first brew!
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Mao's Red Hat Amber - brewing this on Sunday!
 
Just curious, what kind of fermenter containers are you using there? Do you have airlocks on them?

They are food grade containers and they have a screw-on top that is about 14" wide. I am figuring they hold about 25 gallons.
We do not use an airlock - we open ferment with the lid on, but slightly ajar (about 2 inches off centered).
 
Interesting, have you thought about using airlocks? It would be pretty easy to drill a hole in the lids and use a drilled stopper.
 
Interesting, have you thought about using airlocks? It would be pretty easy to drill a hole in the lids and use a drilled stopper.

From all that I have read we see no need to use an airlock as the CO2 keeps any contaminates out of the beer. Additionally, there is less pressure on the yeast, so they work harder! (a reduced stress working environment = a happy worker!) Also, the gases are able to escape and, in theory, less chance of off flavors.
I have read a bit about open fermentation on this site, do a search and see what others have to say.
Here is one article about it that I checked out when we were first advised (by my friend who is a brewer) to not use an airlock.
http://www.byo.com/stories/techniqu...ion/1215-open-fermentation-tips-from-the-pros

And I read this by Alan Puggsley from Shipyard:
"A lot of people are scared of open fermentation," he continued, "because they think it's prone to infection. That's far from the truth. It develops a rocky head and throws off a lot of carbon dioxide; that's its protection - the barrier. Then we leave a 3 to 4 inch coating of yeast on top that gets crusty - and that's a physical barrier. We take the beer from the bottom and the crust is never broken. As long as you clean properly and use sterile techniques, you've got no worse protection than a closed vessel. You've got to be open-minded about open fermentation."

And there is this:
http://www.brewingtv.com/episodes/2010/5/17/brewing-tv-episode-4-open-fermentation.html

We'll continue to use this method until it no longer works for us!
 
Thanks for the info. I'm pretty new at this myself and haven't heard of the open fermenting technique. It's not something I see myself trying, but there are many ways to achieve the same goal. It definitely gives you a hands-on involvement with the yeast during fermentation. ;)
 
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