08-08-08

[Poppy360]

BP and I have finished the recipe - we're still deciding the final hop choice, as I said earlier, Galena or Warrior for bitter, Willamette or Fuggle for aroma. Meanwhile, here's the BeerXML file for the recipe.

Please note: Look what I did...

...because if the computer confirms it, I can feel twice as useful!

Anyways. Kit should be here in the next couple of days. I'll post as soon as I find out.

Note: You may have to Save As... to your computer, and then manually import it into your BeerSmith/ProMash/Beertools/etc.

Do you have a file for the extract recipe? Thanks.

 

[Chriso]

Do you have a file for the extract recipe? Thanks.

It's the same file, you just need to remove the 14.0 lbs pale 2-row malt and add:
10.00 lbs. Generic LME - Light Generic Malt Extract

I'll leave it to y'all to discuss what brand. I've never bought extract before.

 

[DeathBrewer]

muntons is the best light DME, IMO

 

[Poppy360]

muntons is the best light DME, IMO

That's what I use.

 

[shunoshi]

That's what I use.

Same here.

Since I don't have the capability for AG yet, I guess I'll throw down an extract brew. Being able to just buy a kit for this from AHS is going to be nice.

 

[Chriso]

The recipe is now online.

http://www.austinhomebrew.com/produ...11223&osCsid=8cf5bf5a64ac240f4a4b7918273baa8b

if that link doesn't work you can do a search for "homebrewtalk" or it
can be found in "our versions of commercial beer" under "R"

Be aware, all of our recipes the default options uses extract and
White Labs yeast, so you will need to change this when ordering.

Have fun,
-Nick

Here it is! Have fun, guys!!!

 

[Brewpastor]

EXCELLENT! That is very cool. Good work Mr. Chriso!

 

[brewt00l]

Here it is! Have fun, guys!!!

Out of curiosity, are they sub'n grains or brining in what's spec'd in the recipe? IIRC when I was looking on their site to assemble the recipe, they didn't stock Crystal 75 or multiple chocolate malts.

 

[Dycokac]

Which yeast is recomended? and or what yeast is everyone going to order?

I see the kit options are California, American ale or Safale.

I'm not farmiliar at all with Safale and judging by it's price that's a dry yeast?

 

[Chriso]

This is exactly what I sent them:

Recipe: 08-08-08 Russian Imperial Stout
Brewer: Brewpastor
Asst Brewer: HomeBrewTalk.com
Style: Russian Imperial Stout
TYPE: All Grain

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Batch Size: 5.00 gal
Boil Size: 6.96 gal
Estimated OG: 1.088 SG
Estimated Color: 47.6 SRM
Estimated IBU: 88.8 IBU
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
------------
14 lbs        Pale Malt (2 Row) US
1 lbs 4.0 oz  Roasted Barley
1 lbs         Special B Malt
6.0 oz        Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L
6.0 oz        Caramunich Malt
6.0 oz        Chocolate Malt
5.0 oz        Caramel/Crystal Malt -120L

1.50 oz       Warrior [14.80 %]  (60 min)  (2 oz ships w/ pkg)
2.00 oz       Fuggles [4.60 %]  (10 min)
2.00 oz       Fuggles [4.60 %]  (Flame-Out)

1 Pkgs        American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056)          Yeast-Ale

Brewpastor's "official" yeast choice is the Wyeast 1056. As has been discussed in other threads, Austin Homebrew prefers to sell White Labs when possible, because they have a closer relationship with the company (WL tends to be better about replacing "bad" yeast, and are easy to work with, I think?), and because they are more durable to ship than Wyeast smack-packs are.

I'm currently trying my luck with White Labs, because I can get them a little cheaper than Wyeast, and I like the tubes (and the tube rebate program). I haven't decided if I'm going with Wyeast or WL for this brew though.

Any of the three yeasts will give you good beer. Both of the brand names will give you really good beer. It's up to you, nobody is going to yell at you for substituting something. That being said, Wyeast 1056 is still the "official" yeast.

I've used Safale once before, and have a few more packs to use in the future. Seems just fine. Made by Fermentis, a company in France.

Edit: If anyone is not buying a kit, and instead is piecing together ingredients, and you are having a trouble with hop varieties, you can substitute Galena or Magnum for the Warrior and/or substitute U.S. Golding / Willamette / EKG / others for Fuggle.

 

[brewt00l]

This is exactly what I sent them:

Recipe: 08-08-08 Russian Imperial Stout
Brewer: Brewpastor
Asst Brewer: HomeBrewTalk.com
Style: Russian Imperial Stout
TYPE: All Grain

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Batch Size: 5.00 gal
Boil Size: 6.96 gal
Estimated OG: 1.088 SG
Estimated Color: 47.6 SRM
Estimated IBU: 88.8 IBU
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
------------
14 lbs        Pale Malt (2 Row) US
1 lbs 4.0 oz  Roasted Barley
1 lbs         Special B Malt
6.0 oz        Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L
6.0 oz        Caramunich Malt
6.0 oz        Chocolate Malt
5.0 oz        Caramel/Crystal Malt -120L

1.50 oz       Warrior [14.80 %]  (60 min)  (2 oz ships w/ pkg)
2.00 oz       Fuggles [4.60 %]  (10 min)
2.00 oz       Fuggles [4.60 %]  (Flame-Out)

1 Pkgs        American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056)          Yeast-Ale

No sub for the light chocolate malt?

FWIW, they are out of Crystal 120 right now too.

 

[Chriso]

No sub for the light chocolate malt?

FWIW, they are out of Crystal 120 right now too.

Nah - Brewpastor just adjusted quantities to make the regular chocolate work. Nick didn't say anything about the C120, though - hope it's coming back in soon!

 

[shunoshi]

Hrm, I checked out AHB and the kit link. Noticed that the extract and mini-mash kits are being sold with LME. I'm much more a fan of DME when it comes to extract.

Any reason why LME is being used?

 

[Chriso]

Hrm, I checked out AHB and the kit link. Noticed that the extract and mini-mash kits are being sold with LME. I'm much more a fan of DME when it comes to extract.

Any reason why LME is being used?

Not sure, really. I bet that if you emailed them (info at austinhomebrew.com) they would sub out DME for it. Don't know if there would be a cost diff. Nick is cool, I'm sure he'd work with ya.

 

[shunoshi]

Not sure, really. I bet that if you emailed them (info at austinhomebrew.com) they would sub out DME for it. Don't know if there would be a cost diff. Nick is cool, I'm sure he'd work with ya.

Good call, I'll do just that.


p.s. I just noticed in your sig that you have a beer planned that's named after World of Warcraft...I feel like such a nerd for knowing that.

 

[IndyPABrewGuy]

Hey all -

It just took me like 25 minutes to catch up. I haven't checked this thread for a while.

So I'm attempting to figure out how I want to do this. I'm placing a big order soon from GnG, and was just going to add this to my order. Now that AHS has the kit, that's a heckuva lot easier than ordering individually. I'm pretty sure, though, that I'm ordering a bunch of the same stuff for some upcoming brews.

Plus I just did my first PM a couple of weeks ago, and I'm all about that, but I'm pretty sure I don't have the equip to handle the "mini-mash" kit from AHS. And I like working with DME, not LME.

So here's what I'm tryin' to figure out - (I haven't had a chance to look at the recipe download) - I'm assuming that is the finalized recipe. Has anyone figured out a DME-based steep and/or PM recipe piecemeal? (shunoshi?) If not, I'd be more than happy to (attempt) to put one together and get it posted.

If I'm too late, and its as easy as taking the download and playing with it in BTP, I appologize for wasting all of y'all's time by reading this post and thinking out loud.

Cheers,

 

[shunoshi]

So here's what I'm tryin' to figure out - (I haven't had a chance to look at the recipe download) - I'm assuming that is the finalized recipe. Has anyone figured out a DME-based steep and/or PM recipe piecemeal? (shunoshi?) If not, I'd be more than happy to (attempt) to put one together and get it posted.

Yeah, I want to try and use DME with this myself. Pretty easy to convert this to a PM with DME. How does this look?

Ingredients:
------------
8 lbs         Light Dry Malt Extract

1 lbs 8.0 oz  Pale Malt (2 Row) US
1 lbs 4.0 oz  Roasted Barley
1 lbs         Special B Malt
6.0 oz        Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L
6.0 oz        Caramunich Malt
6.0 oz        Chocolate Malt
5.0 oz        Caramel/Crystal Malt -120L

1.50 oz       Warrior [14.80 %]  (60 min)  (2 oz ships w/ pkg)
2.00 oz       Fuggles [4.60 %]  (10 min)
2.00 oz       Fuggles [4.60 %]  (Flame-Out)

1 Pkgs        American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056)          Yeast-Ale

AHB already formulated a PM using these numbers but with 10 lbs. of LME. Sub that for 8 lbs. of DME and you're golden.

 

[IndyPABrewGuy]

Yeah, I want to try and use DME with this myself. Pretty easy to convert this to a PM with DME. How does this look?

Ingredients:
------------
8 lbs         Light Dry Malt Extract

1 lbs 8.0 oz  Pale Malt (2 Row) US
1 lbs 4.0 oz  Roasted Barley
1 lbs         Special B Malt
6.0 oz        Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L
6.0 oz        Caramunich Malt
6.0 oz        Chocolate Malt
5.0 oz        Caramel/Crystal Malt -120L

1.50 oz       Warrior [14.80 %]  (60 min)  (2 oz ships w/ pkg)
2.00 oz       Fuggles [4.60 %]  (10 min)
2.00 oz       Fuggles [4.60 %]  (Flame-Out)

1 Pkgs        American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056)          Yeast-Ale

AHB already formulated a PM using these numbers but with 10 lbs. of LME. Sub that for 8 lbs. of DME and you're golden.

Rockin'. Is this a partial boil? 3 gallons-ish?

I may drop the PM for this one. I don't think my MLT (aka 2 gallon coleman cooler) can handle 5 lbs of grain. Or maybe it can? We just might find out!!

 

[shunoshi]

Rockin'. Is this a partial boil? 3 gallons-ish?

I may drop the PM for this one. I don't think my MLT (aka 2 gallon coleman cooler) can handle 5 lbs of grain. Or maybe it can? We just might find out!!

Dang, I forgot to rework the hop schedule for a partial boil. I'll have to look into that.

As for the 2 gallon MLT, that's exactly what I have. You can do 5 lbs. of grain with 1.2 quarts of water/lb., but it will be really full. It's doable, I've done it.

EDIT - Any PMers out there have access to a decent brew calculator? I've been using the one at Tasty Brew, but it doesn't seem to be that accurate. I'll be doing a 3 gallon boil for this myself. It'd be nice to see a solid hop schedule for that.

 

[IndyPABrewGuy]

Dang, I forgot to rework the hop schedule for a partial boil. I'll have to look into that.

As for the 2 gallon MLT, that's exactly what I have. You can do 5 lbs. of grain with 1.2 quarts of water/lb., but it will be really full. It's doable, I've done it.

EDIT - Any PMers out there have access to a decent brew calculator? I've been using the one at Tasty Brew, but it doesn't seem to be that accurate. I'll be doing a 3 gallon boil for this myself. It'd be nice to see a solid hop schedule for that.

Dude, I have BTP at home. I can work it out and post it.

Cheers,

 

[shunoshi]

Dude, I have BTP at home. I can work it out and post it.

Cheers,

You're my hero. :rockin:

 

[IndyPABrewGuy]

You're my hero. :rockin:

Would that be Guitar Hero . . . . . III?:rockin:

 

[shunoshi]

Would that be Guitar Hero . . . . . III?:rockin:

Nah, I'm all about Rock Band, nice try though.

 

[IndyPABrewGuy]

Here's what seems to be a partial boil, PM recipe

8-8-8 RIS
13-F Russian Imperial Stout

Size: 5.16 gal
Efficiency: 75.0%
Attenuation: 75.0%
Calories: 296.53 per 12.0 fl oz

Original Gravity: 1.088 (1.075 - 1.095)
Terminal Gravity: 1.022 (1.018 - 1.030)
Color: 33.0 (30.0 - 40.0)
Alcohol: 8.77% (8.0% - 12.0%)
Bitterness: 88.83 (50.0 - 90.0)

Ingredients:
8.0 lbs Dry Light
1.0 lbs Pale Ale Malt
1.25 lbs Roasted Barley
1.0 lbs Special B - Caramel malt
6.0 oz Crystal Malt 60°L
6.0 oz Caramunich® (Organic)
6.0 oz Chocolate Malt
5.0 oz Crystal Malt 120°L
1.5 oz Warrior (14.8%) - added during boil, boiled 60.0 min
1.0 oz Fuggle (4.6%) - added during boil, boiled 11.0 min
1.0 oz Fuggle (4.6%) - added during boil, boiled 2.0 min
1.0 ea WYeast 1056 American Ale

Schedule:
Ambient Air: 70.0 °F
Source Water: 60.0 °F
Elevation: 0.0 m

00:03:00 Mash In - Liquor: 6.0 qt; Strike: 166.6 °F; Target: 154.0 °F
00:48:00 Rest - Rest: 45 min; Final: 154.0 °F
00:51:00 First Runnings - Volume: 1.5 gal; Final: 154.0 °F
00:56:00 Sparge - Sparge: 6.0 qt sparge @ 168.0 °F, 1.47 gal collected, 5.0 min; Total Runoff: 6.0 qt

Results generated by BeerTools Pro 1.0.29

There's some slight adjustments to hops/grains to hit target OG and IBUs. Any adjustments, please let me know.

Cheers,

EDIT: To do the math, you end up with ~3 gallons to boil. And this was a 90 minute boil with 3 gallons of top off water (to give the odd volume). I can make adjustments as needed.

 

[Poindexter]

Here's what seems to be a partial boil, PM recipe

Well somebody try it and post up what you get. I steeped 4.25# of grain total, used 10.4# of LME and ended with 5 gal of 1.081. At my place 4.25# was a crap load of grain, and I didn't use any 2-row pale.

FWIW I did say my efficiency sucked.

OTOH You might do this and pitch on 1.060 (or whatever) and have happier yeast than I do. You can always rack onto another pound of *ME steeped in hot water if your OG comes in low.

 

[IndyPABrewGuy]

Well somebody try it and post up what you get. I steeped 4.25# of grain total, used 10.4# of LME and ended with 5 gal of 1.081. At my place 4.25# was a crap load of grain, and I didn't use any 2-row pale.

FWIW I did say my efficiency sucked.

OTOH You might do this and pitch on 1.060 (or whatever) and have happier yeast than I do. You can always rack onto another pound of *ME steeped in hot water if your OG comes in low.

What yeast did you use? Did you make a huge starter?

You weren't too far off with your OG. Using the LME and skipping the pale malt will lower your OG from an estimated 1.091 to 1.086, using the above recipe.

I don't know what recipe you followed exactly, but FWIW the OG you attained was completely feesable, and IMHO close enough.

If you'd like, I can get you some solid answers if you'd post your recipe/process.

Side note: Don't worry about your efficiency. By skipping the pale malt, you basically brought your fermentables from the grains down to nil.

Cheers,

 

[Poindexter]

If you'd like, I can get you some solid answers if you'd post your recipe/process.

Side note: Don't worry about your efficiency. By skipping the pale malt, you basically brought your fermentables from the grains down to nil.

Cheers,

I am not worried, it was a very tasty wort and it is going to be "beer". Because of pre-existing time constraints I brewed on Thanksgiving weekend, using BrewPastors PM version in post 65 this thread before the AHB kit was available.

I did start a thread in the extract section for the encouragement of other n00bs like me.

4.25# was one metric ****ton of steeping grains at my house, using a handheld strainer as a lauter tun.

I feel like if the 2 row is required to convert some sugars then we are talking about a partial mash instead of a steep and extract recipe. Which is fine. I have done two all grain batches, I need some more gear.

As written BrewPastor's recipe was very cool to me because I could brew it with steep/extract gear and steep/extract technique. And I hit 1.081.

 

[Poindexter]

You guys are serious. I steeped in my five gal brew kettle. FWIW I ran my temps like I was doing a PM, just for practice against the AG someday. Direct heat is a nice option I think.

Using a handheld strainer my first runnings looked like used Mobil1 coming out of a high mileage work truck. I sparged until it was the color of new in the bottle dinosaur 10W40.

I ended up with five gallons. I had to do two boils at 2.5Gal each on the gas stove in my kitchen, but it saved screwing around with the hop U.

Scuse, I got my notes out now. I put 4.75 gal of 1.022 into the brew kettle. If I were to make another batch I would sparge out to six gallons knowing I was going to evaporate some during two three gallon boils.

My BTDT thread in extract is here: https://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=45926

 

[Chriso]

Using a handheld strainer my first runnings looked like used Mobil1 coming out of a high mileage work truck. I sparged until it was the color of new in the bottle dinosaur 10W40.

Mmm, motor oil. I knew I loved this recipe for some reason

 

[budbo]

So being unable to find Horizon, Magnum, or Warrior. I'm going to go with Pacific Gem as my bittering hop