Oatmeal Stout Yooper's Oatmeal Stout

GrogNerd · Aug 26, 2015

after brewing a Grodziskie, I'm wondering how it would turn out by subbing the oatmeal for oak-smoked wheat malt

hopefully it won't taste like scorched kettle

bolus14 · Aug 26, 2015

I tasted the wort before adding yeast and it didn't taste like it was scorched... Tasted better than the first batch pre fermentation, only difference was I used caramel 60 instead of 80. Honest mistake at lhbs, noticed it after I ground it and added it to the rest of the grains.

Yooper · Aug 26, 2015

bolus14 said:
I tasted the wort before adding yeast and it didn't taste like it was scorched... Tasted better than the first batch pre fermentation, only difference was I used caramel 60 instead of 80. Honest mistake at lhbs, noticed it after I ground it and added it to the rest of the grains.

Then it sounds fine! If it was scorched, it would have tasted a bit scorched, so I think you'll be ok.

GrogNerd · Aug 26, 2015

scorched wort beer tastes like there's ashes in it

BrewerE · Aug 26, 2015

bolus14 said:
Mine was good after about 1.5 weeks in the bottle. Way overcarbed but was really good.

I poured about 48 bottles back into the bottling bucket and rebottled due to the over carbonation. I know what oxidization tastes like now... They aren't horrible, still drinkable but it was fantastic before oxidizing.

you probably should have just re-capped them...

bolus14 · Aug 26, 2015

BrewerE said:
you probably should have just re-capped them...

I tried a couple, but after lossening the cap 6 or 7 times over a 2.5 hour period and still had foam coming out like a volcano, that wasn't an option to do with almost 50 other bottles.

djonesax · Aug 26, 2015

I just brewed this 4 days ago and its fermenting nicely at 64 degrees, cant wait to try it.

David

boicutt · Aug 27, 2015

Yooper, have you or someone else brewed this with chico? Curious to see how taste changes.

djonesax · Aug 31, 2015

I have had this stout in the fermenter for about 10 days now and just took my first taste and gravity reading. It tastes very good, but thinner/dryer than I expected since I used US-05 because of availability. I should have chosen US-04 in hindsight. Anyway, my gravity right now is at 1.026 and I haven't seen any air lock activity in at least 5 days. Most of my beers at this point would be as done as they are going to get so I am wondering if the fermentation is stuck.

Mashed at 156 for 60 min
Oxygen stone for 90 seconds
Pitched two packs of rehydratred US-05 at 64 degrees
Fermented 64 degrees for 10 days so far.

I am going out of town next week and was hoping to keg this before I left. Think I should warm it & swirl it or jut leave it.

David

bolus14 · Aug 31, 2015

I only used 1 pack of S-05 and mine stopped around 1.019 at 68 degrees. I ended up bottling it and ended up with gushers. I'd try raising the temp and give it 3 or 4 days then check the gravity and see if it moves.

djonesax · Aug 31, 2015

bolus14 said:
I only used 1 pack of S-05 and mine stopped around 1.019 at 68 degrees. I ended up bottling it and ended up with gushers. I'd try raising the temp and give it 3 or 4 days then check the gravity and see if it moves.

Thanks I set the temp in the fridge to 70 and opened the door. The ambient temp is 68ish where it sits so it should warm up to at least that.

mmacdon3 · Sep 1, 2015

Ok I'm just about set to brew this Saturday. Read most of the thread and think I'm pretty much good to go. I know there's been tons of discussion on subbing the black barley but I still can't decide what to do. Here are my substitution options...

Briess black patent malt (500)
Paul's UK black patent (510-585)
Briess blackprinz (500)
Briess roasted barley (300)
Paul's UK roasted barley (500-600)
Belgian de bittered black malt (500-600)

What do you guys think is my best bet?

Yooper · Sep 1, 2015

mmacdon3 said:
Ok I'm just about set to brew this Saturday. Read most of the thread and think I'm pretty much good to go. I know there's been tons of discussion on subbing the black barley but I still can't decide what to do. Here are my substitution options...

Briess black patent malt (500)
Paul's UK black patent (510-585)
Briess blackprinz (500)
Briess roasted barley (300)
Paul's UK roasted barley (500-600)
Belgian de bittered black malt (500-600)

What do you guys think is my best bet?

Roasted barley 300 or 500.

mmacdon3 · Sep 1, 2015

Yooper said:
Roasted barley 300 or 500.

Thanks Yooper. What are your thoughts on using midnight wheat? Looks like one other person mentioned using it in this thread but never updated. Here's the description on it.

"Producing no bitter, astringent or dry flavors, Midnight Wheat starts slightly sweet with hints of roasted flavor while finishing exceptionally clean, subtle and smooth. The dark wheat malt may be used in any recipe calling for de-bittered black malt."

550 SRM

Yooper · Sep 1, 2015

mmacdon3 said:
Thanks Yooper. What are your thoughts on using midnight wheat? Looks like one other person mentioned using it in this thread but never updated. Here's the description on it.

"Producing no bitter, astringent or dry flavors, Midnight Wheat starts slightly sweet with hints of roasted flavor while finishing exceptionally clean, subtle and smooth. The dark wheat malt may be used in any recipe calling for de-bittered black malt."

550 SRM

It's a great malt, but for something that needs roasted coffee flavors, it's too smooth and sweet.

djonesax · Sep 1, 2015

For what its worth even thoguh I seem to have mashed to high because I'm stuck at 1.026... I did the recipe exactly as it was posted (other than yeast) and the beer in primary tastes very good with a nice roasted coffee and chocolate flavor. Not too much but its there and seems balanced.

madman960 · Sep 7, 2015

The LHBS didn't have the 1335 yeast. Only thing close was Windsor dry yeast. I hope it is a decent sub or I will have to make this again from an online supplier.

Bill

Yooper · Sep 9, 2015

madman960 said:
The LHBS didn't have the 1335 yeast. Only thing close was Windsor dry yeast. I hope it is a decent sub or I will have to make this again from an online supplier.

Bill

It's not a great sub. Windsor is very unattenuative, so I'd mash lower and try to baby it along to finish. I would have picked S04 for dry yeast (which I really don't like much) or WLP002 (which I do).

Chris_Primavera · Sep 10, 2015

I have my last batch of IPA coming off a yeast cake of WLP002.
I have a pound of East Kent Golding in the freezer.

Think this recipe will work with the yeast & hops?

Yooper · Sep 10, 2015

Chris_Primavera said:
I have my last batch of IPA coming off a yeast cake of WLP002.
I have a pound of East Kent Golding in the freezer.

Think this recipe will work with the yeast & hops?

Yes, I think it would be fine although I'd try to use a 1/2 cup of yeast from somewhere "cleanest" and try to avoid most of the hops debris in there.

Chris_Primavera · Sep 10, 2015

Hop socked everything except some hop flowers from the garden. If it looks good, I'm going for it.

I normally do not get much trub in the fermenter.

bolus14 · Sep 10, 2015

I think you'll be fine. After another 2-3 weeks in the primary, plus a week or two secondary if you do that, combine with the roasted malts I don't think you'll get anything from the hops.

Chris_Primavera · Sep 11, 2015

Help!

Noob Stout question:

Recipe calls for Black Barley - LHBS gave me Briess Black roasted malt - same stuff?

Nevermind

http://brewingwithbriess.com/Assets/PDFs/Briess_PISB_BlackMalt.pdf
http://brewingwithbriess.com/Assets/PDFs/Briess_PISB_BlackBarley.pdf

Guess I'm not brewing today

Yooper · Sep 11, 2015

I notice that it's getting harder to find the Briess' black barley. If you can't find it, a good sub would be coffee malt or roasted barley.

Black barley isn't as ashy/acrid as black patent malt, so if I couldn't find it I'd try the coffee malt as a sub first.

Zepth · Sep 12, 2015

On the topic of the Black Barley, I had a good experience using 1/2 regular roasted barley and 1/2 Carafa III Special (debhusked black patent). Admittedly I have no point of reference to compare to the original, but these easy to find ingredients produced a great end result.

MagicMatt · Sep 13, 2015

I mentioned it before, but Austin Homebrew Supply has the Black Barley in stock. I ordered 5lbs last time and I think it was about $15 shipped.

MEPNew2Brew · Sep 13, 2015

Yooper said:
I notice that it's getting harder to find the Briess' black barley. If you can't find it, a good sub would be coffee malt or roasted barley.

Black barley isn't as ashy/acrid as black patent malt, so if I couldn't find it I'd try the coffee malt as a sub first.

I am really lost on the Black Barley, Black Roasted Barley, Roasted Barley, Coffee Barley, etc.

I thought we had, basically, two things to choose from:

Roasted Barley - which is not malted. Usually, somewhere between 400 and 500 L.
Black Malt - malted barley, that is roasted to 450-500.

I haven't been able to find anything called Black Barley. Black Roasted Barley, yes, but not Black Barley.

The Coffee Malt I have seen is about 150 L, which does not seem close to black.

The Roasted Barley I see appears to be the same thing as Black Roasted Barley, just different maltsters.

Yooper - HELP! Your Oatmeal Stout is next on my brew schedule and I am confused. Is the Black Barely in your original recipe 400-500 L unmalted barely, or something else?

Thank you for you input.

MagicMatt · Sep 13, 2015

Briess' Black Barley is essentially "Roasted Barley" from other manufacturers, provided it's around 500°L.

By contrast, Breiss' Roasted Barley is only about 300°L, and hence the distinction.

Note that neither of these are malted. See here for descriptions:

http://www.brewingwithbriess.com/Products/Roasted_Barley.htm

MEPNew2Brew · Sep 13, 2015

@MagicMatt - Thank you for the clarification. I'm good to go. I have lots of 500 L roasted/black barley.

madman960 · Sep 16, 2015

Yooper,

Thanks for the input. My LHBS had S04 and Windsor. He said Windsor was closer to the original yeast. I have plenty of S04. I can pitch a packet if that would help. Next time I will order online.

Bill

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