Way, way, way over the top Sam Adams Utopia clone - #2

Saccharomyces · Dec 3, 2009

Yea I bet you could go up to 20% smoked malt in the grainbill and still barely pick it up in this brew it will age so long.

That barleywine looks mighty tasty, the barrel will definitely do it justice!

yeager1977 · Dec 5, 2009

So I made the starter tonight. 1lb liquid extract and made a 2/3rds of a gallon starter. This will be pitched into a 1050-55 brown ale next week or the week after. It is 2 vials of White Labs 099. Picked them up today.

They were dated for Late Jan and early Feb

Talked with my SWMBO and I have 2 dates to start with... Jan 9th or 16th. PTN which works for you and NOT for your bastard son?

We need to finalize the recipe so I can order the grain bill from LHBS.

yeager1977 · Dec 6, 2009

What no love on this post???? PTN: I am so disappointed in you..... CB: What day is best for you???? the heck with PTN....

eriktlupus · Dec 6, 2009

i'll be following for insight into maybe attempting this myself.

jppostKW · Dec 7, 2009

i am following along as well i am hoping for a finalized recipe soon....Hint hint!
I also am going to try a different aging concept as well i was thinking about putting some oak cubes and chips in cognac, brandy, and maybe port or sherry going along sam adams recipe description. letting these sit the whole time my utopia is fermenting than adding them in for aging. i have a couple small (5L) barrels that are brand new if this idea falls thru

WillPall · Dec 7, 2009

yeager1977 said:
So I made the starter tonight. 1lb liquid extract and made a 2/3rds of a gallon starter.

That is one badass starter. Good luck on all this. Sounds like some extreme fun is going to happen soon! :cross:

Cape Brewing · Dec 7, 2009

yeager1977 said:
What no love on this post???? PTN: I am so disappointed in you..... CB: What day is best for you???? the heck with PTN....

I have Weds out of work... and now that my rig will do 40 gallon or so, it might be easier. We would have to brew at my place though.

Probably a bit soon for that starter though

paulthenurse · Dec 7, 2009

Does that 40 gallons count the 13 gallons that gets abducted by aliens or do we need to figure that amount as an unforeseen extra?

PTN

yeager1977 · Dec 7, 2009

jppostKW said:
i am following along as well i am hoping for a finalized recipe soon....Hint hint!
I also am going to try a different aging concept as well i was thinking about putting some oak cubes and chips in cognac, brandy, and maybe port or sherry going along sam adams recipe description. letting these sit the whole time my utopia is fermenting than adding them in for aging. i have a couple small (5L) barrels that are brand new if this idea falls thru

We dd just that! We did about a pond of oak in bourbon for about 5 months then added to the secondary. Using 2 5 gallon barrels this tie though.

paulthenurse · Dec 7, 2009

yeager1977 said:
So here is the output of a modified recipe from beer tools. I did not add hops to the mash.... I just don't care for that idea, instead I upped the bittering hops to 4oz each

Utopias #2 Clone
23-A Specialty Beer
Author: PTN and Yeager1977
Date: 1/10/09

Size: 13.0 gal
Efficiency: 63.05%
Attenuation: 87.5%
Calories: 622.72 kcal per 12.0 fl oz

Original Gravity: 1.184 (1.026 - 1.120)
Terminal Gravity: 1.023 (0.995 - 1.035)
Color: 21.11 (1.0 - 50.0)
Alcohol: 22.1% (2.5% - 14.5%)
Bitterness: 60.0 (0.0 - 100.0)

Ingredients:
70.0 lb English 2-row Pale
20.0 lb 6-Row Brewers Malt
3 lb 2-Row Caramel Malt 60L
3 lb Toasted Pale Malt
1 lb Melanoidin Malt
4 lb Munich 10L Malt
2.0 lb German Smoked
4 lb Maple Syrup
4.0 oz Spalt Spalter (4.8%) - added during boil, boiled 60 min
4.0 oz Tettnanger (4.5%) - added during boil, boiled 60 min
2 oz Hallertau (4.5%) - added during boil, boiled 15 min
2 oz Hallertau Mittelfruh (4.5%) - added during boil, boiled 1 min
4.0 ea White Labs WLP099 Super High Gravity Ale

Schedule:
Ambient Air: 50.0 °F
Source Water: 60.0 °F
Elevation: 0.0 m

00:03:00 Mash in - Liquor: 32.19 gal; Strike: 159.59 °F; Target: 145.0 °F

Notes
Two 15 Gallon Keggels As Mashtuns
1 12 Gal Keggel for hot water
1 12 gallon cooler for hot water
1 13.5 gal keggel for bewing
1 15.5 gal keggel for brewing
1 16.5 gal fermenter

Results generated by BeerTools Pro 1.5.3

Chis,
is this the most recent update, the one you were mentioning on the phone this morning? If so I want to bump up the smoked malt to AT LEAST 4 lbs, probably 5. And I want to boost up the 6 row another 8-10 lbs for greater enzymatic action, increased husk filtration and just general all around good karma.

This is based on a finished volume of 13 gallons going into the fermentor. As we have seen, we lose an ass load of volume to yeast. I think we really need a total volume of 15 gallons going into the fermentor to give us a volume that will allow us to fill up the two 23 liter casks and have some small amount left for topping up.

BTW, I'll probably swing by tomorrow evening on my way to the SSBC Holiday pahtay, pick up my half of the bottles and drop off the casks. Your job, Mr Flynn, is to tell Lee Ann that you will be leaving Casa Flynn after the spawn go beddy by and joining me at the pahtay where we can bask in the glow of adulation that will be forthcoming after we pop the corks on a few bottles.

PTN

paulthenurse · Dec 7, 2009

yeager1977 said:
We dd just that! We did about a pond of oak in bourbon for about 5 months then added to the secondary. Using 2 5 gallon barrels this tie though.

WTF, have you been drinking already? I have an excuse, I work nights. You just have a problem.

PTN

Cape Brewing · Dec 7, 2009

Awwwwww... that's cute. Widdle Paul wants to bwing his date to the party. That's nice.

... and I wouldn't expect a whole lot of adulation tomorrow night. The holiday party is when everyone brings out all of their best stuff and bottles that have been stashed away for the whole year. You guys did a great job on your clone but there will be a ton of fantastic beer there. Something tells me it'll blend into the background very quickly along withe verything else. Besides... we're following right along with the fad and everyone is into sowahs now. Sipping that malt syrup will probably be a low-light for most guys.

yeager1977 · Dec 7, 2009

paulthenurse said:
Chis,
And I want to boost up the 6 row another 8-10 lbs for greater enzymatic action, increased husk filtration and just general all around good karma.
PTN

This recipe has an already bumped up 6-row by 5 pounds as compared to last year. I will add 3 more to make it a total of 8. I will also make it 5 lbs smoked

yeager1977 · Dec 7, 2009

Latest recipe below. Looking for approval...

Utopias #2 Clone
23-A Specialty Beer
Author: PTN and Yeager1977
Date: 1/10/09

Size: 13.0 gal
Efficiency: 63.05%
Attenuation: 87.5%
Calories: 658.3 kcal per 12.0 fl oz

Original Gravity: 1.194 (1.026 - 1.120)
Terminal Gravity: 1.024 (0.995 - 1.035)
Color: 21.3 (1.0 - 50.0)
Alcohol: 23.4% (2.5% - 14.5%)
Bitterness: 60.0 (0.0 - 100.0)

Ingredients:
70.0 lb English 2-row Pale
23.0 lb 6-Row Brewers Malt
3 lb 2-Row Caramel Malt 60L
3 lb Toasted Pale Malt
1 lb Melanoidin Malt
4 lb Munich 10L Malt
5.0 lb German Smoked
4 lb Maple Syrup
4.0 oz Spalt Spalter (4.8%) - added during boil, boiled 60 min
4.0 oz Tettnanger (4.5%) - added during boil, boiled 60 min
2 oz Hallertau (4.5%) - added during boil, boiled 15 min
2 oz Hallertau Mittelfruh (4.5%) - added during boil, boiled 1 min
White Labs WLP099 Super High Gravity Ale (starter then 1050 brown ale cake...)

Schedule:
Ambient Air: 50.0 °F
Source Water: 60.0 °F
Elevation: 0.0 m

00:03:00 Mash in - Liquor: 34.06 gal; Strike: 159.59 °F; Target: 145.0 °F

Results generated by BeerTools Pro 1.5.3

paulthenurse · Dec 7, 2009

Ok but the entire recipe needs to be scaled up to a final amount of 15 gallons going into the fermenter so that we have some left over for topping up the casks.

Other than that I think we're looking pretty good.

Except you seem to have your mash temp set at 145. I'd prefer that between 148 and 150, especially given the fact that we'll be doing this in a garage, in New England, in January. As we saw last year, hitting and maintaining a consistent temp when it's 15 degrees out is a pure bitch. We'll want to rig some thing up, blanket, etc, to help maintain temps.

PTN

paulthenurse · Dec 7, 2009

Cape Brewing said:
Awwwwww... that's cute. Widdle Paul wants to bwing his date to the party. That's nice.

... and I wouldn't expect a whole lot of adulation tomorrow night. The holiday party is when everyone brings out all of their best stuff and bottles that have been stashed away for the whole year. You guys did a great job on your clone but there will be a ton of fantastic beer there. Something tells me it'll blend into the background very quickly along withe verything else. Besides... we're following right along with the fad and everyone is into sowahs now. Sipping that malt syrup will probably be a low-light for most guys.

I was planning on bringing a few bottles of Belgian I've haven't seen locally in a long time that I picked up when I was in TX. As far as dragging Chris along, you talk to him and listen to him whine about being a hausfrau. It's a charity invite, in the Christmas spirit and all.

PTN

yeager1977 · Dec 7, 2009

Well I did that by upping the 6 row and the two row (the 2row was upped 10 pounds, plus we are not going to have stuck mashes with 3-4 mash tuns, AND we will get better efficiency this year because of the new setup...). Also 14 gallons is the target. We had 12.5 last time. This time we just won't drink a gallon.

I also bought myself a new fermenter since last year we broke the fermenter the utopias was in. We can use my old fermenter for the utopias this year and I will keep using the new one.

So I guess we could up the crystal but I am not to worried about it. Also the temp: I'm not worried about temps right now. I just want the grain bill (Maple syrup will probably be upped to 5 pounds but thats later..). I figure we will shoot for 150. Last year you wanted lower temps for some reason....

Jif · Dec 7, 2009

This is looking real interesting. Looking forward to see how it pans out!

yeager1977 · Dec 7, 2009

Ok latest rev... Upped most everything. Last year the smoked malt was only 1 pound. I say 4 lbs this year

Utopias #2 Clone
23-A Specialty Beer
Author: PTN and Yeager1977
Date: 1/10/09

Size: 13.0 gal
Efficiency: 63.05%
Attenuation: 87.5%
Calories: 666.56 kcal per 12.0 fl oz

Original Gravity: 1.197 (1.026 - 1.120)
Terminal Gravity: 1.025 (0.995 - 1.035)
Color: 22.19 (1.0 - 50.0)
Alcohol: 23.7% (2.5% - 14.5%)
Bitterness: 63.4 (0.0 - 100.0)

Ingredients:
70.0 lb English 2-row Pale
23.0 lb 6-Row Brewers Malt
3.5 lb 2-Row Caramel Malt 60L
3.5 lb Toasted Pale Malt
2.0 lb Melanoidin Malt
4.5 lb Munich 10L Malt
4.0 lb German Smoked
4 lb Maple Syrup
4.0 oz Spalt Spalter (4.8%) - added during boil, boiled 60 min
4.0 oz Tettnanger (4.5%) - added during boil, boiled 60 min
3.0 oz Hallertau (4.5%) - added during boil, boiled 15 min
3.0 oz Hallertau Mittelfruh (4.5%) - added during boil, boiled 1 min
4.0 ea White Labs WLP099 Super High Gravity Ale

Results generated by BeerTools Pro 1.5.3

Cape Brewing · Dec 7, 2009

paulthenurse said:
I was planning on bringing a few bottles of Belgian I've haven't seen locally in a long time that I picked up when I was in TX. As far as dragging Chris along, you talk to him and listen to him whine about being a hausfrau. It's a charity invite, in the Christmas spirit and all.

PTN

Well, I think guys would certainly be grateful but I don't think you're gonna wow anyone at this particular event. Not when a large majority of us have hung around with a certain french club member who keeps cases (with a "s") of aged Westies just laying around in his basement along with cases upon cases upon cases of the stuff he collects when he travels through Belgium... on a regular basis.

But I'm sure the stuff you got in Texas is good too.

And that's nice of you to pass along charity invites to the holiday party of a club for which you've made one meeting and still haven't paid your dues for.

Cape Brewing · Dec 7, 2009

Actually... now that I kinda think about it... I think Yeager has more of an invite than YOU do Paul... so I think the charity invite is really the other way around.

The club always invites "friends of the club" and anyone at The Witch's Brew is certianly a "friend of the club" so I would think that if Yeager wanted to come, he would be more than welcome.

Then... like I was saying above... since you haven't paid your dues and have only made it to one meeting, I'm not really sure you're actually a "member"... soooooo... I think you should start asking Yeager VERY nicely to try to pull some strings and get you in.

paulthenurse · Dec 7, 2009

I was expecting the family invite from you.

PTN

paulthenurse · Dec 8, 2009

We still need to boost up the smoked malt some more. Its 4% of the grain bill as it stands. Lets run it up to 8 lbs, thats 7%.

It was at around 1.5 % in the original recipie and it's undetectable. Go big or go home.

Stop hyperventilating, Chris. It will be ok. Trust me.

PTN

jppostKW · Dec 8, 2009

yea that guy he isnt scared!! i just sampled utopia for the first time about an hour ago and i love it. an amazing after dinner beer lets brew this thing

yeager1977 · Dec 8, 2009

How about 6 pounds? I don't think we need smokey flavor in the beer. I don't know how well that will go with the maple...

paulthenurse · Dec 8, 2009

OK, I'm good with 6.

PTN

yeager1977 · Dec 8, 2009

Ok so here is the final recipe with mash temps. Paul can I get your approval for ordering?
Utopias #2 Clone
23-A Specialty Beer
Author: PTN and Yeager1977
Date: 1/10/09

Size: 14.0 gal
Efficiency: 67.0%
Attenuation: 87.5%
Calories: 667.23 kcal per 12.0 fl oz

Original Gravity: 1.197 (1.026 - 1.120)
Terminal Gravity: 1.025 (0.995 - 1.035)
Color: 21.58 (1.0 - 50.0)
Alcohol: 23.72% (2.5% - 14.5%)
Bitterness: 58.9 (0.0 - 100.0)

Ingredients:
70.0 lb English 2-row Pale
23.0 lb 6-Row Brewers Malt
3.5 lb 2-Row Caramel Malt 60L
3.5 lb Toasted Pale Malt
2.0 lb Melanoidin Malt
4.5 lb Munich 10L Malt
6.0 lb German Smoked
4 lb Maple Syrup
4.0 oz Spalt Spalter (4.8%) - added during boil, boiled 60 min
4.0 oz Tettnanger (4.5%) - added during boil, boiled 60 min
3.0 oz Hallertau (4.5%) - added during boil, boiled 15 min
3.0 oz Hallertau Mittelfruh (4.5%) - added during boil, boiled 1 min
4.0 ea White Labs WLP099 Super High Gravity Ale

Schedule:
Ambient Air: 50.0 °F
Source Water: 60.0 °F
Elevation: 0.0 m

00:05:00 Mash in - Liquor: 33.7 gal; Strike: 166.02 °F; Target: 150 °F

Notes
2 15 Gallon Keggels As Mashtuns
2 Cooler mash tuns
2 14 Gal Keggel for hot water

1 13.5 gal keggel for bewing
2 15.5 gal keggel for brewing

1 16.5 gal fermenter

Results generated by BeerTools Pro 1.5.3

Saccharomyces · Dec 8, 2009

You guys should have named this thread the health care debate thread or something with all the bickering over a few pounds of smoked malt. Just get to a-brewin' already!

Mapleroots · Dec 8, 2009

you guys are awsome, I hope this beer goes well for you. Keep up the spirit of home brewing. there nothing big brewery's do that we cant. sweet. That is a huge grain bill$$$$

yeager1977 · Dec 8, 2009

Yeah, its gonna be a big chunk of change.... Just the bottles from last year's batch cost $120. If I can get PTN's buy in I will order this friday, and give our LHBS a few weeks to get everything in and crushed. Looks like Jan 16th is the day but we need to confirm that....

So that means sometime late next week I have to make the brown ale with the starter I have going....

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