RIT_Warrior
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I'm surprised you are planning on going back; I wouldn't. Not if I had got treated like that from the bartender, and certainly not if I had gotten mad enough to break a glass. I'd find another place to drink.
Also, to whoever posted the bouncers story, you do know how hard it is to find boucers right ? The answer: not very hard at all.
Also, to whoever posted the bouncers story, you do know how hard it is to find boucers right ? The answer: not very hard at all.
So you think it is a good idea to piss off an employee enough to have him quit on the spot over a (correct) decision he made to not let a drunk ******* in? What do you think the other employees, who now have to deal with the drunk *******, are going to think of this decision? Is that really worth the 10 bucks worth of coors light you are going to get out of the guy before he pukes all over another customer? Is that totally cool because it is "really easy to find bouncers"?
So you think it is a good idea to piss off an employee enough to have him quit on the spot over a (correct) decision he made to not let a drunk ******* in? What do you think the other employees, who now have to deal with the drunk *******, are going to think of this decision? Is that really worth the 10 bucks worth of coors light you are going to get out of the guy before he pukes all over another customer? Is that totally cool because it is "really easy to find bouncers"?
No, it's totally right because the manager gets the last call. When the bouncer opens up a nightclub of his own, he'll be the one making the rules. It was a dickish move to override on the spot what was probably a good decision, but thin skinned bouncers who get in shouting matches after such an incident are a dime a dozen. It was really not worth quitting for, unless it was an accumulation of different events.
And you can't deny that bouncers are easy to replace: taking crap from both customers and management is part of the game, unless you happen to strike gold and find people in the restauration industry who are not complete ********. Those people are hard to come by.
In short, yes. Because the bouncer quit for one (his choice to leave, he wasn't fired). The bouncer is in the wrong, if the kid can come back with an ID and the manager says let him in, you damn well better let that guy in, you have personal feelings over it because you don't like that particular kid, then quit. Just like the bouncer did .
And far from being dime-a-dozen, I think the bouncer would be the hardest person to replace in the whole restaurant. He would require a full criminal background check, a class, and a state-granted licence.
These would be excellent arguments against me if I was saying the managers did not have the authority to override the bouncer. Unfortunately I did not say this and can't for the life of me see why you think I said it.
And far from being dime-a-dozen, I think the bouncer would be the hardest person to replace in the whole restaurant. He would require a full criminal background check, a class, and a state-granted licence. No one else needed anything like that. And if they took your advice and just pulled someone off the street, they would probably get a massive fine (bad) and they would get their liquor license pulled (fatal). They can also get their liquor license pulled if they let drunk ******** who start fights in too often. And if their liquor license was pulled, it would actually be impossible to get it back. We were situated next to a college dorm, and a law came out after we opened that no new liquor licences would be issued to locations within 500 feet of a dorm, school, or church. As this blanketed the entire area, it would be impossible to open again in the city.
I've got an appointment to talk to Josh, the owner. I'll update afterward, but I have not given up. I will be going back after this is resolved.
I have several friends who have come back from fighting the war in the middle east, and a good deal of them (those who have seen combat) are on edge atleast some of the time... So if this is the case, he has the right to have a shorter fuse than the rest of us.... And if you think otherwise, go witness war first hand and prove that you can remain totally normal afterwards.
Obviously thats a tough situation. Were you wrong to break a glass? yes, although you admitted it was an overreaction. Personally I would have been pissed in that situation, too. I dont think the bartender had any right to say what he did to you. I had a bartender (off-duty) complain to me about a tip I gave to another employee on an earlier night once (i wasnt happy with the treatment so didnt tip her once), so i stopped going there. I didnt feel the need to explain anything to them. Now they dont get my 50% tip anymore.
I think otherwise. Going on a deployment doesn't give you the right to be a ****** bag. So, he doesn't get to have a "shorter fuse" and at the very least should have learned some form for of discipline. If he has a legitimate issue there are programs available to help him deal with his anger issues.
I never said going to Iraq gave him the right to be a ''****** bag'', I said experiences over-seas can make it highly difficult (and sometimes impossible) to resume civilian life. Yes, there are medications and therapy which can help, but there are always pieces left with you.
Something about your profile tells me you'll find out soon enough...
I never said going to Iraq gave him the right to be a ''****** bag'', I said experiences over-seas can make it highly difficult (and sometimes impossible) to resume civilian life. Yes, there are medications and therapy which can help, but there are always pieces left with you. And you, sir, don't have the right to disagree since you clearly don't know what war is like. That would be like me telling someone like you about AG brewing
Not being disrespectful to you... Not trying to be a tough guy... Not even my $.02..... Just fact.
We will go back to your pre-edit post. This is my 5th deployment, I still say it doesn't give anyone the right to abuse civilians when they return.
These would be excellent arguments against me if I was saying the managers did not have the authority to override the bouncer. Unfortunately I did not say this and can't for the life of me see why you think I said it.
And far from being dime-a-dozen, I think the bouncer would be the hardest person to replace in the whole restaurant. He would require a full criminal background check, a class, and a state-granted licence. No one else needed anything like that. And if they took your advice and just pulled someone off the street, they would probably get a massive fine (bad) and they would get their liquor license pulled (fatal). They can also get their liquor license pulled if they let drunk ******** who start fights in too often. And if their liquor license was pulled, it would actually be impossible to get it back. We were situated next to a college dorm, and a law came out after we opened that no new liquor licences would be issued to locations within 500 feet of a dorm, school, or church. As this blanketed the entire area, it would be impossible to open again in the city.
I think otherwise. Going on a deployment doesn't give you the right to be a ****** bag. So, he doesn't get to have a "shorter fuse" and at the very least should have learned some form for of discipline. If he has a legitimate issue there are programs available to help him deal with his anger issues.
I never said going to Iraq gave him the right to be a ''****** bag'', I said experiences over-seas can make it highly difficult (and sometimes impossible) to resume civilian life. Yes, there are medications and therapy which can help, but there are always pieces left with you.
Something about your profile tells me you'll find out soon enough...
We will go back to your pre-edit post. This is my 5th deployment, I still say it doesn't give anyone the right to abuse civilians when they return.
Originally Posted by Frankfurtvr4 View Post
I think otherwise. Going on a deployment doesn't give you the right to be a ****** bag. So, he doesn't get to have a "shorter fuse" and at the very least should have learned some form for of discipline. If he has a legitimate issue there are programs available to help him deal with his anger issues.
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Originally Posted by DubbinFive1Eight View Post
I never said going to Iraq gave him the right to be a ''****** bag'', I said experiences over-seas can make it highly difficult (and sometimes impossible) to resume civilian life. Yes, there are medications and therapy which can help, but there are always pieces left with you.
Something about your profile tells me you'll find out soon enough...
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Originally Posted by Frankfurtvr4 View Post
We will go back to your pre-edit post. This is my 5th deployment, I still say it doesn't give anyone the right to abuse civilians when they return.
Uh, wow, is this gonna turn into a "My drill instructor is harder than yours" argument?
Crap like this is why I can't mention being a vet to anyone. Once again i should have omitted that part here. I don't think i have ever pulled the "I'm a veteran, you can't do that/say that to me" card.
Anyways, thanks for your opinions everyone, good, bad, and absurd.
Agreed you say that "Vet" word and people look at you like you're at any moment gonna start crackin' heads and pull your secondary weapon and start jerkin' rounds into people.
lol I thought this wasn't ''that'' thread? Off topic and such..?
Maybe I am missing something here. The only person that made this an issue of the OP being a ****** bag because he deployed is someone that is not in the military. Please go back and quote something other than a response to that outside looking in thinking.Gents: enough playing the "my military experience was more horrifying than yours" cards already. If you want to talk about experiences, you're more than welcome to PM me about my EMT career in a major metropolitan city for 4 years. Here ain't the place.
We will go back to your pre-edit post. This is my 5th deployment, I still say it doesn't give anyone the right to abuse civilians when they return.
Frankfurtvr4 wins.
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