whats going on here this is a ipa? wild? mold?

[andyrobertson]

Brewed an ipa with fresh hops and a lot of them.. was foing great then dry hopped with dryed hops and now it looks like a crazy... any ideas or suggestions

 

[BugHunter]

I've yet to experience moldy beer but from a phylogenetic perspective those mounds sure look like zygomycotic bread mold to me. If you have a microscope pull a small sample, mix in a splash of grain alcohol, and put it under scope at 40-400x magnification. It'll look like a mat of spheres with long stalks sticking out of them and root-like structures.

 

[Sir-Hops-A-Lot]

Looks like you have some white globs lurking on your whole leaf hops. I would rack the beer into another fermenter right away because the damage may still be limited.
Taste it during transfer and see how it is.

 

[eastoak]

your beer is infected with some wild bacteria or yeast.

 

[Grantman1]

Hard to tell from the picture if it's mold or some kinda wild yeast, like eastoak said. I'd let it roll for a little til you can figure it out. My guess would be wild yeast from the hops, but if it's mold, have a moment of silence for it then dump it.

 

[BugHunter]

Hard to tell from the picture if it's mold or some kinda wild yeast, like eastoak said. I'd let it roll for a little til you can figure it out. My guess would be wild yeast from the hops, but if it's mold, have a moment of silence for it then dump it.

If you look at the image you'll see that the white material mounds up above the surface it's anchored on in a smooth but felt-like uniformity. That's indicative of a colony structure and not usually seen in yeast out of liquid. My money's on bread mold.

Addendum: If you'll also notice the granular material that's directly on top of the liquid, not forming as a sheet and then thickening but instead as clumps, that's another indication of mold colonies. If you really want to be sure pull a sample of the material. If you're looking at mold you might be able to notice a "fuzzy" surface, indicative of the tendrils fungi use for feeding.

Like I said before your surest way to tell is to scope it. At 400x if it looks like a small round bead it's yeast (possible, but not likely), if it looks like a sand grain it's bacteria (not likely at all), and if it's bigger and gnarly looking with defined structure and fibers it's bread mold.

 

[eastoak]

you have a pellicle which is formed by various yeasts and bacteria.

 

[andyrobertson]

Any way can salvage this beer???

 

[eastoak]

Any way can salvage this beer???

it won't be the beer you set out to make but if you let it go it will be some kind of beer. no way to know if it will be good or bad until you taste it and let us know.

 

[BreezyBrew]

Where did you get your hops?

 

[BugHunter]

Any way can salvage this beer???

Salvage to original recipe? No, but as long as your growth on top doesn't change color (i.e. stays white) you could let it go. It'll be obvious if it's a pellicle or mold cap in a few weeks, and if it's a pellicle you could always purposely let it sour and taste it in a few weeks or months. There's a good chance it'll be revolting but you could get lucky. If you start to see any other color growth on the top though don't risk it, dump the batch. To be honest if it looks like you've got a mold growth I wouldn't even bother trying to figure out what type it is because so many mold species produce toxins (neurological or otherwise). At the point you decide it's mold I'd dump it, toss any of those hops you've got left away, commiserate over a cold one, and brew up another batch. To be safe you should probably consider tossing any plastics/rubbers that touched the beer in it's current state if you've got mold. You'll have to chemically clean the carboy within an inch of it's life too or you may get a repeat batch. Spores are a right PITA to get rid of. Overkill? Maybe, but I work in my local university's prep lab and we tend to overkill everything.

 

[andyrobertson]

Grew them all around yown

 

[andyrobertson]

this is beer was amazing by the soo taste fresh picked hps

 

[Double_D]

Brewed an ipa with fresh hops and a lot of them.. was foing great then dry hopped with dryed hops and now it looks like a crazy... any ideas or suggestions

It's most likely brett. Don't stress. It happens.

If you look at the image you'll see that the white material mounds up above the surface it's anchored on in a smooth but felt-like uniformity. That's indicative of a colony structure and not usually seen in yeast out of liquid. My money's on bread mold.

Addendum: If you'll also notice the granular material that's directly on top of the liquid, not forming as a sheet and then thickening but instead as clumps, that's another indication of mold colonies. If you really want to be sure pull a sample of the material. If you're looking at mold you might be able to notice a "fuzzy" surface, indicative of the tendrils fungi use for feeding.

Like I said before your surest way to tell is to scope it. At 400x if it looks like a small round bead it's yeast (possible, but not likely), if it looks like a sand grain it's bacteria (not likely at all), and if it's bigger and gnarly looking with defined structure and fibers it's bread mold.

You're flat out wrong. Except the psudo science. But it's not important.

you have a pellicle which is formed by various yeasts and bacteria.

Finally... Also, racking from under the pellicle is usually a pretty good way to take care of the problem and from personal experience, it rarely returns.

And @ Bughunter, you need to do some homework here:

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f14/dangers-homebrewing-124653/

Because as we all know, and as a quick google search, or a quick look at one of Revvy's treatises will confirm, there's nothing pathogenic that can survive in fermented beer.