TheCADJockey
ALL YOUR BASE
I already kicked the cold... move on nerds.
There's a rant/wall-o-text coming. Hold onto your butts...
Well, if you're talking about this taking place in the workplace, what the hell are you doing at work if you are that sick?
When I become king, I pass a law that anyone who comes in sick and makes their coworkers sick, the coworkers' time off gets charged to the original sicko.
"I'm not going to waste a day off being sick!"
Seems like some people, like me, have jobs where they don't have much contact withd the public, get plenty of paid sick leave and earn enough that they would be okay even if sick leave wasn't paid while those who work in food service, day care, etc. typically don't get paid sick leave, can't really afford the time off and often have a supervisor pressuring them to get back to work.
Well, if you're talking about this taking place in the workplace, what the hell are you doing at work if you are that sick?
When I become king, I pass a law that anyone who comes in sick and makes their coworkers sick, the coworkers' time off gets charged to the original sicko.
"I'm not going to waste a day off being sick!"
Raise your rates. At this point you've given them your notice, you've resigned your employment, and you are clearly in a position of power in the negotiation.
How much more money would be worth it to you to pick up a little bit of that extra work? Ask them for it. If they aren't willing to pony up, don't take the work. And if they are willing to pony up for it, I can assure you it'll be temporary because they'll finally have a MAJOR incentive to get the other guy up to speed.
Obviously if you're getting so burned out that the extra money wouldn't cover the quality-of-life impact of extra work, then you should walk anyway. But if not, use this as an opportunity to practice your negotiating skills
You should poop in the urinal right before you leave for the day. Leave a note saying you wanted to use toilet, but there was pee all over the seat.
Obviously, don't sign the note.
They charge a set amount per job, so the pay is probably not up for (much) negotiation. Although money was my main reason for getting in, I'm in a comfortable enough position now that more of it isn't necessarily going to make up for the stress that accompanies the job.
I feel like I'm already doing them a solid by hanging around even in a limited capacity, so I don't see any need to budge from my terms right now. Plus, based on prior experience, giving in now will turn into the same thing every week: "hey, you took an extra job last week, can you do another this week?"
I used to only work for them in the evenings. Then they asked if I could work on a Saturday morning. I said ok, as I didn't have any big plans that weekend. They said not to worry, they only booked Saturdays occasionally for out of town clients and people that couldn't be available during the week. Famous last words. A couple months later I was scheduled every Saturday.
Sure it is. The only question is how much profit you allow the owner to make off your work.
If you set your desired price per job above what they charge, obviously they won't schedule because they'll be losing money to do so. If you set your desired price per job at or just below what they charge, they might continue scheduling you in the short term and move aggressively to get the other guy up to speed.
They only keep scheduling you because it's profitable for them to do so. If it wasn't profitable, they wouldn't bother. Right now the pain point is your quality of life. That's "not their problem" as long as you keep saying yes to jobs. If you make the pain point their bottom line, however, then it is their problem and it's potentially your advantage.
If you want them to stop scheduling you, you can either give them a flat "no", or you can give them an incentive and add enough extra dollars to your pocket in the meantime to make it worth your while. Which route you choose is up to you, but there is *definitely* room to negotiate.
I might have misunderstood where you were going, but my frustration is with the people who come in sick and make their coworkers sick rather than staying home.
We get a very liberal leave package, flex time, most of us can pull the occasional "work from home" gig, so it's inexcusable to come in while you are sick.
In your situation I agree; it's inexcusable. I was thinking more of the local cook who made more than 50 customers ill and the day care worker who infected a dozen or more pre-schoolers. They didn't plan to hurt anyone but in both instances low pay, no benefits and a lack of knowledgeable and responsible managers factored into their decisions to work while sick. Nobody died but there were a few hospitalizations.
Moar IPA.
Good point. We outsource our janitorial service, the company has a rule that if an employee wants a sick day they have to report to work and request it In person.
What kind of stupid **** is that?
That kind of thing is ridiculous. I've worked in food service for ten years now, its only the last 2 where I don't get grief about calling in sick. Usually it's either you have to show up to prove it or call people trying to convince them to cover your shift
Good point. We outsource our janitorial service, the company has a rule that if an employee wants a sick day they have to report to work and request it In person.
What kind of stupid **** is that?
Things about your co-workers that annoy you......
How about when company management hardly ever gives you any positive feedback when you and the rest of your department are doing a great job, but the minute something goes wrong that throws a monkey wrench into their almighty scheduling for the day(God forbid that a job doesn't clear the department for another 8 to 12 hours because a machine breaks down or another department screwed something up and you caught the mistake!..) they are always the first ones to fire up the diesel powered, turbo charged ass reamers and try and put you in the crosshairs to take the blame?
Way to pull a Remmy!
When I go back to work on Monday after a week off, I'm probably going to hate all my coworkers again.
that's why I haven't tried for management again. I spent a little over 2 years as the assistant manager of shipping/receiving in a steel yard and a little over a year as the assistant manager of a pipe welding/methane pump building shop. I honestly believe I have always excelled where I work because I take my work seriously and with pride. unfortunately lower & middle management comes with a bulls eye on your back. and some places even use upper management as target practice. all the hard work you do ceases to mean anything once you take that step forward. my days of purposely trying 2-3 times harder than my "peers" is over.
Our company expects 72hrs notice........
Yeah boss...the flu called. I'll need to reschedule that Wednesday meeting, I think I'll be busy hanging out with the flu for a bit...
I could never live with myself if I didn't pull my weight (retired now), but quite a few people in the work place do not have that problem. Unfortunately, for a welder if you weld twice as much you breath twice as many welding fumes.
We had a part-time gal in our accounting department - only worked like 30 hours a week - I think it was the bare minimum to get on the company insurance. She'd come in at 7:00 AM, and work until 2:00 PM. She was also one that went to the chiropracter every two weeks, like clockwork (Personally, if any doctor needs to see me twice a month until the end of time, I'm finding another doctor). But she would always schedule her appointments for 1:00 or 2:00, and use sick leave to cover the appointment. At the time, we only got 5 days/yr sick leave, and she burned ALL of it going to appointments - so when she DID actually get sick, you could pretty well guarantee that within a week, everyone in the office would have whatever she had.It has actually been a while since I worked any place that had sick days. We have Personal Leave days and we get to use them any way we want. We don't have to offer any justification.
Now, it needs to be said that I'm not in an industry where there are people waiting downstream from me depending on my production. I can understand a more restrictive policy in that case but it's still silly that I should have to forecast when I'm going to be sick.
I also have little tolerance for those people who always seem to be sick on Fridays and Monday's.
I pull my weight. I'm just not giving that extra 150% anymore. tired of trying to "prove" myself.:rockin:
I pull my weight. I'm just not giving that extra 150% anymore. tired of trying to "prove" myself.:rockin:
I am with you. I am also actively searching again. I gave it 5 years here which is too much for the lack of appreciation I am getting. Time to jump contracts.
I'm in the same boat as well, or will be come October when I will have been here for 2 years. If I don't get what I asked for, I will be moving on. Sadly, it will catch them off guard, but I warned them of it at my previous review. At 2 years experience, my choices open up indefinitely.
I have told them many, many, many, many times that I want to get away from 'customer' interaction if at all possible and start working on infrastructure rather than standard "my printer is doesnt work" calls.
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