super rookie needs auber wiring help

[Commonwealth]

hey folks,

I have collected everything short of the switches and some gas plumbing lines for a brutus 10 single tier build. I have been quite inspired by Josh Landin's recently famed Blue Brutus stand. You can read about his build under " My new brew system, a brutus 10 with some nice modifications " or http://www.homebrewersassociation.o...itle=josh-landins-bright-blue-brewing-machine

I have three camp chef stoves I will be using instead of building a frame. And will be using the auber PIDs & Honeywell VR8200A valves and Q2314A pilots Josh showcases in his system. I am fairly mechanically inclined and can visualize and handle the plumbing side for the gas. But am at a loss for wiring this thing up. I understand the basics, I have 110v from my house, and will split that into two terminal strips one 110V for the pumps and a 24V for the gas valves. I can read a wiring diagram and if I had a detailed one for this system I could wire it up. I just don't know enough about the particulars about what connects to what terminal, through the strips to do it myself.

I have purchased a transformer for the gas valve side honeywell AT120B rated at 24 VAC, 20 VA, 120 V 60 Hz. What do my switches need to be rated at? I know the main switch needs to be 110V as that is what handles what comes from my house. But what about the gas valve switches? Josh has them wired in an HOA fashion and I think that is way to go. That way you have an off, manual on and PID controlled on to choose from. What about the pump switches? I imagine those need to be rated at 110V?

I have found some nice waterproof illuminated rockers but am not sure if they will work.

http://shop.vetcosurplus.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=406_416

Is what i am looking at, would this work for the main: http://shop.vetcosurplus.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=406_416&products_id=8795

And these for the gas valves in HOA configuration?
http://shop.vetcosurplus.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=406_416&products_id=8782

And these for the pumps?
http://shop.vetcosurplus.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=406_416&products_id=8778

And could someone help with a more detailed version of a wiring diagram for Josh's system. He has a basic one up on page 9 of his thread. But like I said I am still kinda lost.

Thanks for any and all help amigos!
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l198/jlandin/beer/mbs4/WiringDiagram.gif

 

[Commonwealth]

have I asked too much? are my questions confusing? I just need some electrical faq/wiring help. Anyone?

 

[Ricand]

I'm in.. there are two ratings on switches. One is the voltage rating and the other is the current rating. You need to be sure those numbers are at or above your anticipated application. Be careful with illuminated switches particularly since the bulb will be rated at the voltage of the switch. If you have a question about wiring a particular device let me know. Generally be sure you are on a GFCI circuit and ground everything but the pots on the stands.

 

[Commonwealth]

Ahh, ricand thanks so much. I was afraid I had committed some forum faux pas in my asking.

I am wiring the auber 2362 universal PID to some 24V honeywell gas valves. I have the auber temp probes so that should be compatible. Two questions:

1) how do I split my power line into two? I need one line to run at full 110V for the LG pumps and another line to run to the transformer to get 24 V for the gas valves? Is there some sort of splitter ?

2) Could you look at this switch:
http://shop.vetcosurplus.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=406_416&products_id=8782
It is illuminated, would that work on a 24V system and light up? I am thinking it wouldn't. I really want to use illuminated three position rockers and can't find any 24V.

Any thoughts?

 

[Ricand]

You sound like you might need more help than a few forum posts. You will wire the 110v to a main power switch, from that switch you will go to a terminal strip. The 110V side of the transformer will go there. The 24V side will go to the aubers and then to the valves. Figure out how many things need power and don't forget indicator lights, that's the number of terminals you will need on the strip.

The switch light won't work on a 24V system the bulb is neon and needs 110V. I'm sure you can find an illuminated 24V switch out there, or use a non-illuminated switch and use indicator lights (that's what I did).

 

[Commonwealth]

Yeah I am sure I need more help than a few forum posts, thanks for confirming that, hence the title "super rookie" . your wisdom is much appreciated, thanks for the help. since i have just relocated and the local brewing club doesn't meet during the summers I haven't met any wiring savvy local brew buddies. I will find one though or hire someone if I have too! Thanks for the indicator light idea, great thinking!

 

[Ricand]

Yeah I am sure I need more help than a few forum posts, thanks for confirming that, hence the title "super rookie" . your wisdom is much appreciated, thanks for the help. since i have just relocated and the local brewing club doesn't meet during the summers I haven't met any wiring savvy local brew buddies. I will find one though or hire someone if I have too! Thanks for the indicator light idea, great thinking!

I wish you were closer I'd definitely help. I didn't mean to be flippant about 'more help than a few forum posts'. Electrical stuff around boiling liquids and flammable gasses can be lethal in lots of ways.

 

[Commonwealth]

absolutely no offense taken, I wish a willing soul like you were closer too ;-) Like I said I will find someone. I am ignorant enough that one question leads to at least 3 or 4 more. And am not willing to role the dice on all these fancy pumps and PID's I bought never mind my home or well being. I appreciate you reaching out amigo.