simcoe amarillo saison

[straycat]

looking for feedback on this recipe. going for an american style saison and trying to keep the recipe fairly simple. thanks in advance.

Extract Batch Size 5.000 gal Boil Size 6.0 gal

Boil Time 60.000 min Efficiency 70%
OG 1.062 FG 1.012
ABV 6.5% Bitterness 37.2 IBU (Tinseth)
Color 3.3 srm (Morey) Calories (per 12 oz.) 204

Fermentables
Total grain: 8.500 lb
Name Type Amount Mashed Late Yield Color
Corn Sugar (Dextrose) Sugar 8.000 oz No No 100% 0.0 srm
Briess LME - Pilsen Light Extract 4.000 lb No No 78% 2.0 srm
Briess LME - Pilsen Light Extract 4.000 lb No No 78% 2.0 srm
Hops

Name Alpha Amount Use Time Form IBU
Magnum 13.5% 0.500 oz Boil 45.000 min Pellet 19.9
Simcoe 12.1% 0.500 oz Boil 20.000 min Pellet 11.8
Amarillo 9.5% 0.500 oz Boil 10.000 min Pellet 5.5
Simcoe 12.1% 0.250 oz Boil 0.000 s Pellet 0.0
Amarillo 10% 0.500 oz Boil 0.000 s Pellet 0.0

Misc
Name Type Use Amount Time
Whirlfloc Fining Boil 1.000 tsp 10.000 min

Yeast
Name Type Form Amount Stage
Danstar - Belle Saison Ale Dry 2.232 tsp Primary

 

[davejanssen]

I can't dive a lot of advice from experience here (I don't often brew european style beers with North American/new world hops because often, for my palate, the two clash) but I would lean toward less resinous hops and away from something like simcoe. I think fruit-forward hops, for example a lot of Australian/New Zealand varieties, would work well.

Have you used Belle Saison before? I haven't but 1.012 seems quite high for an FG. Maybe with extract, where you can't control your fermentability, this is more likely. I would expect mid single digits at the high end using that yeast in a saison-oriented wort. If you were looking for something like 1.012 maybe switching to a non-saison Belgian yeast would be better. Hopefully someone with experience with this yeast in extract can chime in.

Continuing with that thought, and my hop preference above, I would drop the magnum and replace it with a later addition of a more flavorful hop. With a very low OG your IBUs are going to come across stronger than the calculated value would suggest.

 

[straycat]

thanks for the reply Dave. this is the recipe i ended up brewing ->

saison#2
Batch Size 5.000 gal Boil Size 5.750 gal
Boil Time 60.000 min Efficiency 70%
OG 1.059 FG 1.012
ABV 6.1% Bitterness 31.1 IBU (Tinseth)
Color 4.9 srm (Morey) Calories (per 12 oz.) 194

Fermentables
Total grain: 8.500 lb
Name Type Amount Mashed Late Yield Color
Briess LME - Pilsen Light Extract 4.000 lb No No 78% 2.0 srm
Briess LME - Pilsen Light Extract 4.000 lb No No 78% 2.0 srm
Honey Malt Grain 8.000 oz No No 80% 25.0 srm

Hops
Name Alpha Amount Use Time Form IBU
Amarillo 10% 0.500 oz Boil 60.000 min Pellet 16.3
Saaz 2.4% 0.250 oz Boil 60.000 min Pellet 2.0
Amarillo 10% 0.250 oz Boil 30.000 min Pellet 6.3
Saaz 2.4% 0.250 oz Boil 30.000 min Pellet 1.5
Amarillo 10% 0.250 oz Boil 15.000 min Pellet 4.1
Saaz 2.4% 0.250 oz Boil 15.000 min Pellet 1.0
Saaz 2.4% 0.250 oz Boil 0.000 s Pellet 0.0
Amarillo 10% 0.250 oz Boil 0.000 s Pellet 0.0

Whirlfloc Fining Boil 1.000 tsp 10.000 min

Yeast
Name Type Form Amount Stage
Danstar - Belle Saison Ale Dry 2.232 tsp Primary