mmonacel
Well-Known Member
I was exited to see this clone show up in the recent BYO, but when entering in the recipe to BeerSmith, I can't seem to get close to the OG. Am I missing something? I keep getting 1.052 vs. the 1.072 listed as the OG and the IBUs are coming out as 100 (Tinsenth) or 122 (Rager) vs. the 91 listed. I've double checked my recipe entry, but to no avail. Following the instructions for all-grain, I come out with a total of 9.5 lbs of Pilsner. By my calcs it seems I'd need a little over 13 lbs of Pilsner to get to 1.072. I've entered in 65% efficiency which is the standard BYO uses as I understand it.
Any ideas?
Here's the recipe from BYO followed by how I have it entered in BeerSmith:
BYO Recipe:
Tröegs Brewing Co.
Nugget Necar clone
"The Replicator"
(5 gallons/19 L, extract with grains)
OG = 1.072 FG = 1.014
IBU = 91 SRM = 12 ABV = 7.5%
Ingredients
6.6 lbs. (3 kg) Muntons light, unhopped,
liquid malt extract
18 oz. (0.51 kg) dried malt extract
1.75 lb. (0.79 kg) Pilsner malt
0.5 lb. (0.22 kg) dark Munich malt (20 °L)
0.5 lb. (0.22 kg) Vienna malt
0.5 lb. (0.22 kg) crystal malt (60 °L)
19.5 AAU Nugget hop pellets (90 min.)
(1.5 oz./42 g of 13% alpha acid)
3.5 AAU Columbus hop pellets (20 min.)
(0.5 oz./14 g of 15% alpha acid)
2.9 AAU Palisade hop pellets (10 min.)
(0.75 oz./21 g of 8.25% alpha acid)
13 AAU Nugget hop pellets (1 min.)
(1.0 oz./28 g of 13% alpha acid)
21 AAU Simcoe hop pellets (1 min.)
(1.5 oz./42 g of 14% alpha acid)
7.5 AAU Columbus hop pellets (1 min.)
(0.5 oz./14 g of 15% alpha acid)
Columbus hop pellets (dry hop 7 days)
(0.25 oz./7 g of 15% alpha acid)
Nugget hop pellets (dry hop 7 days)
(1.0 oz./28 g of 13% alpha acid)
Simcoe hop pellets (dry hop 7 days)
(1.0 oz./28 g of 14% alpha acid)
1⁄2 tsp. yeast nutrient (last 15 min.)
1⁄2 tsp. Irish moss (last 30 min.)
White Labs WLP001 (American Ale) or
Wyeast 1056 (American Ale) yeast
0.75 cup (150 g) of corn sugar for
priming (if bottling)
Step by Step
Steep the crushed grain in 2 gallons (7.6 L) of water at 152 ºF (66.6 ºC) for 30 minutes. Remove grains from the wort and rinse with 2 quarts (1.8 L) of hot water. Add the liquid and dried malt extracts and boil for 90 minutes. Add the hops, Irish moss and yeast nutrient as per the schedule. Add the wort to 2 gallons (7.6 L) of cold water in a sanitized fermenter and top off with cold water up to 5 gallons (19 L). Cool the wort to 75 ºF (24 ºC). Pitch the yeast and aerate the wort heavily. Allow the beer to cool to 68 ºF (20 ºC). Hold at that temperature until fermentation is complete. Transfer to a carboy, avoiding any splashing to prevent aerating the beer and add the Columbus, Nugget and Simcoe dry hops. Condition for one week and then bottle or keg. Carbonate and age for two weeks.
All-grain option:
Use a single step infusion mash and an additional 7.75 lbs. (3.51 kg) Pilsner malt to replace the malt extracts. Mix the crushed grains with 3.7 gallons (14 L) of 172 °F (78 °C) water to stabilize at 152 ºF (67 ºC) for 60 minutes. Sparge with 175 ºF (79 ºC) water. Collect ~6 gallons (23 L) of wort runoff to boil for 60 minutes. Reduce the 90-minute hop addition to 1.25 oz. (35 g) Nugget hop pellets (13% alpha acid) (16.25 AAU) to allow for the higher utilization factor of a full wort boil. Follow the remainder of the extract with grain recipe.
How it's currently entered in my BeerSmith
Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 7.59 gal
Post Boil Volume: 5.71 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal
Bottling Volume: 4.50 gal
Estimated OG: 1.052 SG
Estimated Color: 6.9 SRM
Estimated IBU: 122.4 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 65.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 71.5 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes
Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
9 lbs 8.0 oz Pilsen Malt 2-Row (Briess) (1.0 SRM) Grain 1 86.4 %
8.0 oz Munich 20L (Briess) (20.0 SRM) Grain 3 4.5 %
8.0 oz Vienna Malt (Briess) (3.5 SRM) Grain 4 4.5 %
8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 2 4.5 %
1.25 oz Nugget [13.00 %] - Boil 90.0 min Hop 5 72.8 IBUs
0.50 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [15.00 %] - Boil 20. Hop 7 11.3 IBUs
0.75 oz Palisade [8.75 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 9 5.9 IBUs
1.00 oz Nugget [13.00 %] - Boil 1.0 min Hop 11 9.7 IBUs
1.50 oz Simcoe [14.00 %] - Boil 1.0 min Hop 10 15.7 IBUs
0.50 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 1.0 Hop 12 5.2 IBUs
0.50 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [5.00 %] - Boil 1.0 Hop 13 1.9 IBUs
0.25 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [15.00 %] - Dry Hop Hop 17 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Nugget [13.00 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 15 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Simcoe [14.00 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 16 0.0 IBUs
0.50 tsp Yeast Nutrient (Boil 15.0 mins) Other 8 -
0.50 tsp Irish Moss (Boil 30.0 mins) Fining 6 -
1.0 pkg American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056) [124.21 Yeast 14 -
Any ideas?
Here's the recipe from BYO followed by how I have it entered in BeerSmith:
BYO Recipe:
Tröegs Brewing Co.
Nugget Necar clone
"The Replicator"
(5 gallons/19 L, extract with grains)
OG = 1.072 FG = 1.014
IBU = 91 SRM = 12 ABV = 7.5%
Ingredients
6.6 lbs. (3 kg) Muntons light, unhopped,
liquid malt extract
18 oz. (0.51 kg) dried malt extract
1.75 lb. (0.79 kg) Pilsner malt
0.5 lb. (0.22 kg) dark Munich malt (20 °L)
0.5 lb. (0.22 kg) Vienna malt
0.5 lb. (0.22 kg) crystal malt (60 °L)
19.5 AAU Nugget hop pellets (90 min.)
(1.5 oz./42 g of 13% alpha acid)
3.5 AAU Columbus hop pellets (20 min.)
(0.5 oz./14 g of 15% alpha acid)
2.9 AAU Palisade hop pellets (10 min.)
(0.75 oz./21 g of 8.25% alpha acid)
13 AAU Nugget hop pellets (1 min.)
(1.0 oz./28 g of 13% alpha acid)
21 AAU Simcoe hop pellets (1 min.)
(1.5 oz./42 g of 14% alpha acid)
7.5 AAU Columbus hop pellets (1 min.)
(0.5 oz./14 g of 15% alpha acid)
Columbus hop pellets (dry hop 7 days)
(0.25 oz./7 g of 15% alpha acid)
Nugget hop pellets (dry hop 7 days)
(1.0 oz./28 g of 13% alpha acid)
Simcoe hop pellets (dry hop 7 days)
(1.0 oz./28 g of 14% alpha acid)
1⁄2 tsp. yeast nutrient (last 15 min.)
1⁄2 tsp. Irish moss (last 30 min.)
White Labs WLP001 (American Ale) or
Wyeast 1056 (American Ale) yeast
0.75 cup (150 g) of corn sugar for
priming (if bottling)
Step by Step
Steep the crushed grain in 2 gallons (7.6 L) of water at 152 ºF (66.6 ºC) for 30 minutes. Remove grains from the wort and rinse with 2 quarts (1.8 L) of hot water. Add the liquid and dried malt extracts and boil for 90 minutes. Add the hops, Irish moss and yeast nutrient as per the schedule. Add the wort to 2 gallons (7.6 L) of cold water in a sanitized fermenter and top off with cold water up to 5 gallons (19 L). Cool the wort to 75 ºF (24 ºC). Pitch the yeast and aerate the wort heavily. Allow the beer to cool to 68 ºF (20 ºC). Hold at that temperature until fermentation is complete. Transfer to a carboy, avoiding any splashing to prevent aerating the beer and add the Columbus, Nugget and Simcoe dry hops. Condition for one week and then bottle or keg. Carbonate and age for two weeks.
All-grain option:
Use a single step infusion mash and an additional 7.75 lbs. (3.51 kg) Pilsner malt to replace the malt extracts. Mix the crushed grains with 3.7 gallons (14 L) of 172 °F (78 °C) water to stabilize at 152 ºF (67 ºC) for 60 minutes. Sparge with 175 ºF (79 ºC) water. Collect ~6 gallons (23 L) of wort runoff to boil for 60 minutes. Reduce the 90-minute hop addition to 1.25 oz. (35 g) Nugget hop pellets (13% alpha acid) (16.25 AAU) to allow for the higher utilization factor of a full wort boil. Follow the remainder of the extract with grain recipe.
How it's currently entered in my BeerSmith
Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Boil Size: 7.59 gal
Post Boil Volume: 5.71 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal
Bottling Volume: 4.50 gal
Estimated OG: 1.052 SG
Estimated Color: 6.9 SRM
Estimated IBU: 122.4 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 65.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 71.5 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes
Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
9 lbs 8.0 oz Pilsen Malt 2-Row (Briess) (1.0 SRM) Grain 1 86.4 %
8.0 oz Munich 20L (Briess) (20.0 SRM) Grain 3 4.5 %
8.0 oz Vienna Malt (Briess) (3.5 SRM) Grain 4 4.5 %
8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 2 4.5 %
1.25 oz Nugget [13.00 %] - Boil 90.0 min Hop 5 72.8 IBUs
0.50 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [15.00 %] - Boil 20. Hop 7 11.3 IBUs
0.75 oz Palisade [8.75 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 9 5.9 IBUs
1.00 oz Nugget [13.00 %] - Boil 1.0 min Hop 11 9.7 IBUs
1.50 oz Simcoe [14.00 %] - Boil 1.0 min Hop 10 15.7 IBUs
0.50 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 1.0 Hop 12 5.2 IBUs
0.50 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [5.00 %] - Boil 1.0 Hop 13 1.9 IBUs
0.25 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [15.00 %] - Dry Hop Hop 17 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Nugget [13.00 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 15 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Simcoe [14.00 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 16 0.0 IBUs
0.50 tsp Yeast Nutrient (Boil 15.0 mins) Other 8 -
0.50 tsp Irish Moss (Boil 30.0 mins) Fining 6 -
1.0 pkg American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056) [124.21 Yeast 14 -