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Does your friend need another friend? I could use 3 lbs of hops!So a good friend of mine bought me 1lb of each mosaic, galaxy, simcoe.
Does your friend need another friend? I could use 3 lbs of hops!So a good friend of mine bought me 1lb of each mosaic, galaxy, simcoe.
Lmao yea hes a good friend and has enjoyed my brews. So he knows whats good.Does your friend need another friend? I could use 3 lbs of hops!
I just wanted to ask are you experimenting with no boil hops and just whirlpool and dry hop I have found that I prefer to keep some boil hops but it seems like the brewing world is going the other way.If I were you I’d go
Grains:
37.5% 2row
37.5% golden promise
12.5% wheat
12.5% oats
mash 152*f ph of 5.3
Yeast
- LAIII
hot side (60 min boil)
.5 oz simcoe @ 30 mins
1oz simcoe at 10 mins
1oz mosiac at 10 mins
whirlpool
2 oz simcoe
2 oz mosiac
1 oz Galaxy
Dryhop
1.5 oz simcoe.
2.5 oz mosiac
4 oz Galaxy
read up in this thread on ways to minimize o2 pickup in dryhop and transferring.
this is one of my loft adjusted recipes(however I only use 2 row as a base and no golden promise) and it’s solid
My last beer was not boiled at all. I wouldn’t call it an experiment per say, I was just clearing out some homegrown hops and since theres no way to know the alphas I didn’t want to risk using them in boil. In the recipe I provided to sully, it would be reminiscent of a traditional NEIPA with around 40-50 ibus. He could cut those 10 minute additions to flame out or drop them both in half if he wantedI just wanted to ask are you experimenting with no boil hops and just whirlpool and dry hop I have found that I prefer to keep some boil hops but it seems like the brewing world is going the other way.
That is a very similar recipe to what I would call my base neipa .. I start with a small simcoe addition at 60 min, then do a 10 min addition and a whirlpool addition, usually consisting of citra or mosaic or both along with another hop. The hops vary but I have brewed an almost identical neipa as what @Dgallo has mentioned with fantastic results.
I don’t think there’s any benefit to dry hopping early in fermentation. And more haze certainly isn‘t equivalent to better beer. You can make a really hazy beer that looks cool but tastes like $h!t and you can make an amazing ipa with light haze. If you really want to DH during fermentation do it at the tail end and go off gravity. I‘ve never understood the people who give advice to DH at day X - there’s way to many variable for that to be good advice.I guess my question now is the dry hop?
I planned on doing it at 3-4 days in.. whenever i test fg and get fg i want. Using a hop sock. Im just going to slowly let spunding purge c02 and drop in. My plan was to leave for 3-4 days as well.
After this should i remove hops or just package in keg and let settle in there?
What are everyone elses styles or practices. Sorry for questions relatively new to brewing Neipas with big dry hops.
Thanks! I planned to go off gravity for sure. If its still super far away from my fg im gonna wait. I have a party tap setup to pull a sample and test gravityI don’t think there’s any benefit to dry hopping early in fermentation. And more haze certainly isn‘t equivalent to better beer. You can make a really hazy beer that looks cool but tastes like $h!t and you can make an amazing ipa with light haze. If you really want to DH during fermentation do it at the tail end and go off gravity. I‘ve never understood the people who give advice to DH at day X - there’s way to many variable for that to be good advice.
I don’t think there’s any benefit to dry hopping early in fermentation. And more haze certainly isn‘t equivalent to better beer. You can make a really hazy beer that looks cool but tastes like $h!t and you can make an amazing ipa with light haze. If you really want to DH during fermentation do it at the tail end and go off gravity. I‘ve never understood the people who give advice to DH at day X - there’s way to many variable for that to be good advice.
Think of it like this: your yeast is going to drop out of suspension at some point. Some are faster than others but they’ll all drop eventually. When you dry hop during active fermentation, some of the hop oils are going to bond with the yeast cells, which as stated are going to drop. Ideally, in my opinion, you want to get as much yeast out of the way as possible before introducing your dry hop. This way there is nothing to pull those precious hop oils out of suspension in your finished beer. It really just doesn’t make any sense to dry hop during fermentation if your goal is a very hoppy beer in the end.Yep, quite the contrary actually, if you DH early in the fermentation then your haze is more likely to drop out. I've had this happen.
the grain protein chain size has a big thing to do with if fermentation hoping will cause additional clearing as well. Grains with larger protein chains, specifically flaked grains since their unmalted, the malting process doesn’t alter their protein chains. Since these chain are larger to start, they have more weight. During fermentation, yeast will bind proteins and polyphenols together. As you dryhop during that time with larger loads, you get more polyphenol in the mix, so it makes these molecular chains larger and larger, causing them to be heavier, which leads to additional clearingYep, quite the contrary actually, if you DH early in the fermentation then your haze is more likely to drop out. I've had this happen.
Yep, quite the contrary actually, if you DH early in the fermentation then your haze is more likely to drop out. I've had this happen.
2021 Citra flash sale, $14/lb
I'm on the fence as well. I think a thread for reporting what people thought of specific hops from a specific year from a specific place would be extremely helpful to gauge if jumping on something like this would be beneficial.How would people rate their luck with the 2021 Citra from YVH? Has it been consistent?
I am not sure how long ago it was, but I picked up two 1 lb bags of 2019 Citra from a YVH Flash Friday sale. I am just about done with the first bag (with the second one still to open). These 2019 Citra were not the greatest. Lacking the "bright" citrus flavors of the previous bag (from a different vendor and year). They have more of a citrus pith character. I am too cheap to dump hops, so I have been using them but more as a "better Cascade" than as a showcase hop.
The Experimental Hop Variety Pack seems fun to play with
https://yakimavalleyhops.com/products/experimental-hop-variety-pack
That only can only really be done with places such as BSG who gives specific lot numbers of their hops. That said I feel that If you go from a place like YVH, you can base it off the AA% to get them to the same bale/lot they got in. That said, You don’t have an option to buy their hops and ask for packages with specific AA%I'm on the fence as well. I think a thread for reporting what people thought of specific hops from a specific year from a specific place would be extremely helpful to gauge if jumping on something like this would be beneficial.
I’ve really enjoyed the 2021 Citra I used so far. Only used 4 oz but it was solid. The 2021 LUPOMAX I got was fantastic though.How would people rate their luck with the 2021 Citra from YVH? Has it been consistent?
I am not sure how long ago it was, but I picked up two 1 lb bags of 2019 Citra from a YVH Flash Friday sale. I am just about done with the first bag (with the second one still to open). These 2019 Citra were not the greatest. Lacking the "bright" citrus flavors of the previous bag (from a different vendor and year). They have more of a citrus pith character. I am too cheap to dump hops, so I have been using them but more as a "better Cascade" than as a showcase hop.
The Experimental Hop Variety Pack seems fun to play with
https://yakimavalleyhops.com/products/experimental-hop-variety-pack
Looks great! Have you tried Imperial Dry Hop A24? I'm curious how they compare since they are both blends. (I cannot find any details on what is in coastal haze)Well I just poured the first glass of my latest neipa, and its excellent. First time using white labs coastal haze and I'll let the picture do the talking.
65% 2row
15% white wheat
8% malted oats
5% carapils
5% dextrose
2% honey malt
Hot side hops
Simcoe, citra, mosaic
Dry hops
Citra, galaxy, strata
Not even a good picture but ya get the idea. Coastal haze will be my new go to for this style.
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I have used a24, great yeast dont get me wrong, but this coastal haze has impressed me bigtime.. first time using it and it has quickly became my favorite.Looks great! Have you tried Imperial Dry Hop A24? I'm curious how they compare since they are both blends. (I cannot find any details on what is in coastal haze)
Man, I love this hobby. So much fun to experiment!
Coastal haze is likely a blend of LA3, Conan, and Sach Trois. (The white labs versions) I don’t know this for a fact, but someone posted this assumption a while ago, and the description of the yeast is on par with this. I used it once and wasn’t impressed, but that was probably more my fault than the yeast itself. Maybe I’ll revisit it at some point.I have used a24, great yeast dont get me wrong, but this coastal haze has impressed me bigtime.. first time using it and it has quickly became my favorite.
Coastal haze is likely a blend of LA3, Conan, and Sach Trois. (The white labs versions) I don’t know this for a fact, but someone posted this assumption a while ago, and the description of the yeast is on par with this. I used it once and wasn’t impressed, but that was probably more my fault than the yeast itself. Maybe I’ll revisit it at some point.
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I was actually just replying to @BoilerInSoCal about the same thing, regarding the sta1 gene. I believe it is London Fog (LAIII) and 644 (Imperial a20). I don’t see Conan being a part of the blend personally, that said @Northern_Brewer is the most knowledgeable person on yeast genetics that I know of so it certainly possible it’s in there.I'm curious how they compare since they are both blends. (I cannot find any details on what is in coastal haze
It's my go to for this style as well. I've used about 8 different yeasts, and CH has been my favorite so far. No hop burn, harshness etc. Such a great yeast. CHUGS.Well I just poured the first glass of my latest neipa, and its excellent. First time using white labs coastal haze and I'll let the picture do the talking.
65% 2row
15% white wheat
8% malted oats
5% carapils
5% dextrose
2% honey malt
Hot side hops
Simcoe, citra, mosaic
Dry hops
Citra, galaxy, strata
Not even a good picture but ya get the idea. Coastal haze will be my new go to for this style.
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Skip the DH during fermentation. You'll get better results dropping the yeast and DHing. I found my beer cleared immensely when DHing during ferm. And you'll get brighter hop character after dropping the yeast first. Seems to be the consensus around here, and I used to be a big fan of biotransformation. Beer is drinkable almost immediately after kegging DHing post ferm.I really like to do a small dry hop during active fermentation I think it really increases haze. Then I try to time my second dry hop so that I will be cold crashing within 2 days and getting it out of that vessel in no more than 4 days. I don’t like to let the beer sit on a large amount of hops for more than that. Here’s my last brew.View attachment 760977
I believe it is Burlington Ale (LAIII) and 644 (Imperial a20). I don’t see Conan being a part of the blend personally, that said @Northern_Brewer is the most knowledgeable person on yeast genetics that I know of so it certainly possible it’s in there.
I was intending to provide their LAIII equivalent strain, which I thought was Burlington but I’m not correct. Which strain is their version of LAIII?Assuming you're talking about WLP095 Burlington, that's the White Labs version of Conan
London Fog. WLP066.I was intending to provide their LAIII equivalent strain, which I thought was Burlington but I’m not correct. Which strain is their version of LAIII?
How would people rate their luck with the 2021 Citra from YVH? Has it been consistent?
I am not sure how long ago it was, but I picked up two 1 lb bags of 2019 Citra from a YVH Flash Friday sale. I am just about done with the first bag (with the second one still to open). These 2019 Citra were not the greatest. Lacking the "bright" citrus flavors of the previous bag (from a different vendor and year). They have more of a citrus pith character. I am too cheap to dump hops, so I have been using them but more as a "better Cascade" than as a showcase hop.
The Experimental Hop Variety Pack seems fun to play with
https://yakimavalleyhops.com/products/experimental-hop-variety-pack
Any info for me guys? Do you dry hop after passing a forced diacetyl test? Do you have to do another forced diacetyl test after dry hopping too? Any help on this question would be greatly appreciated!How are you guys dry hopping at the tail end of fermentation? Any time I have done that, I end up with a diacetyl bomb. I have just been soft crashing then dry hopping at about 55 for a couple of days with rousing and that has worked well enough, but I want to try doing a warmer dry hop on my next batch I’m brewing on Thursday. I assume that I would add the hops with a few points left so the yeast can ferment out the sugar in the hops and then do a diacetyl rest? I have started doing forced diacetyl tests on all of my batches and that works, but I feel like the dry hops would have to be in the beer for like 4+ days for the yeast to clean everything up using this method.
Edit: I’m thinking of doing half warm and the rest after a soft crash to see if this adds a layer of flavor in the finished beer btw.
I'm on the fence as well. I think a thread for reporting what people thought of specific hops from a specific year from a specific place would be extremely helpful to gauge if jumping on something like this would be beneficial.
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