I made a pseudo-schwarzbier inspired by the description of Howl on Magic Hat's site. I was expecting a more thin bodied, clean tasting "crisp" black beer. However, it appears that the Howl is made with an ale yeast making it more of a pseudo-lager (and I bet they don't "lager" it after fermentation either). I also tasted what I thought was chocolate malt and maybe a little roast barely, when the website claims only pale, crystal and carafa go in there. It's possible they didn't use debittered / Carafa "special", and that's where the flavors are coming from. In my schwarzbier I used a pound of debittered black malt / Carafa Special III in 5 gallons (in addition to crystal 80L and 120L) to get my SRM up to 50, I have no idea how they have 65 unless they used an unearthly amount of dark malts.