bitterman35
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I found a few used kegs on craigslist, how do I know if they are legal to have or if they still belong to a brewery?
bitterman35 said:I found a few used kegs on craigslist, how do I know if they are legal to have or if they still belong to a brewery?
cheezydemon said:My understanding was that the deposit more than covered a new keg, so they were if anything happy if it didn't come back. Not true?
I don't think the keg belongs to the brewery if they sell the keg, to a person, a company or scrapyard.GilaMinumBeer said:Beyond that, the keg ALWAYS belongs to the brewery.
Bike N Brew said:You're new around here, right?
EDIT: In a slightly more helpful vein: not true. A new keg costs far more than any deposit. This has been a major issue for breweries; particularly when the scrap value of a keg rises above the deposit, and people start to steal them or sell them for scrap rather than returing for deposit. Been discussed here ad nauseum, and you can Google "brewery keg theft" or something similar, and read away.
mr x said:I don't think the keg belongs to the brewery if they sell the keg, to a person, a company or scrapyard.
GilaMinumBeer said:The ONLY true legal keg is bought from the brewery and has a receipt showing that it was in fact the keg and not the contents. Beyond that, the keg ALWAYS belongs to the brewery.
I don't think so. If I lose the receipt for my tv, does it now belong to Best Buy? Not likely. Unless those kegs have serial numbers, it looks to me like a possession is nine tenths of the law deal.MNBugeater said:That was his point. Without the receipt, therefor proof of ownership, the keg does indeed belong to the brewery.
mr x said:As Irregularpulse posted, that is something else to consider. Once deposit has been paid to the brewery, does the keg belong to them anymore?
In Nova Scotia, if insurance has been paid to a person for stolen items, they no longer own the item, or even have any claim on it in most cases. I work with two people who have had 8-10 guns stolen from each of them. Because insurance was paid for them, when they were recovered by the police, they were destroyed.
Around here, people have taken to stealing copper before verifying that it isn't energized. sizzle sizzle. That's happened at least twice in the last few years.blacklab said:I don't know if you guys around the country have this same issue, but around here all of the meth/crack/whatever heads have been stealing copper and other valuable metals from wherever they can find it and selling it for cash.
Yeah, a couple of those rifles were very nice. One guy was not impressed he couldn't get it back. The funny thing was, both guys found the thieves themselves. They were selling the guns in local papers and radio.blacklab said:You'd think they would sell that sort of stuff at an auction and give the money to charity, or use it for operating expenses and reduce your tax burden.
NoClueBrewMaster said:As far as the stolen guns, I don't think the police are going to sell stolen property, ESPECIALLY guns, for charity... It wouldn't warm my heart to know that a stolen gun helped feed a homeless man after it was sold to the highest bidder... let them stick to their wife's bake sales...
mr x said:Around here, people have taken to stealing copper before verifying that it isn't energized. sizzle sizzle. That's happened at least twice in the last few years.
Here's one I couldn't believe:
http://halifax.metronews.ca/index.cfm?sid=78448&sc=89
I don't think the point of the deposit has been lost so much, but is it really known. If the bar the keg goes missing from pays the $35 deposit, that is the end of their responsibility. The brewery does not still expect them to return the keg. A little different scenario than the deposit on a rented aerator. Similar to you returning a bottle for deposit. You have been compensated, and now how do claim ownership?GilaMinumBeer said:the point of the deposit or security deposit has been lost here. It's a deposit in an effort to keep you honest and give you an incentive to return the keg. The keg was never sold, only the contents of the keg are being sold.
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BierMuncher said:Ahhhhh.....
It has been a while....
Where's my favorite BEER...?
mr x said:I don't think the point of the deposit has been lost so much, but is it really known. If the bar the keg goes missing from pays the $35 deposit, that is the end of their responsibility. The brewery does not still expect them to return the keg. A little different scenario than the deposit on a rented aerator. Similar to you returning a bottle for deposit. You have been compensated, and now how do claim ownership?
mr x said:I don't think so. If I lose the receipt for my tv, does it now belong to Best Buy? Not likely. Unless those kegs have serial numbers, it looks to me like a possession is nine tenths of the law deal.
GilaMinumBeer said:If that reasoning gives you a clear concience, so be it.
I have no interest in debating or further explaining ethical behavior to what are assumed to be responsible adults.
Kilted Brewer said:Not to go totally off topic, but Blacklab...instead of posting to CL hoping for a brewery to contact you, contact them directly. On a whim one day I contacted Widmer, McMenamins and Laurelwood and they all responded within 10mins of me sending them an email. McMenamins and Laurelwood were no go, but Widmer does this kind of thing all the time. They even have a wait list.
blacklab said:I very recently started looking for a used keg and put an ad on CL here in P-town. I was really looking for someone from a brewery or wholesaler just getting rid of some old stuff. I very clearly stated that I am a homebrewer and wanted a scrappy one to cut apart for a DYI brewpot.
The responses I got were SHADY. One guy refused to give me a price, but wanted me to come look at the keg and give him an offer. Others were barely coherent.
The keggle looks kind of fun/cool, but at this point I'm just going to drop cash on a gigantic brewpot to avoid the type of people I got responses from. Very weird stuff.
I don't know if you guys around the country have this same issue, but around here all of the meth/crack/whatever heads have been stealing copper and other valuable metals from wherever they can find it and selling it for cash. I think some of these folks fell into that category.
mr x said:I don't think the point of the deposit has been lost so much, but is it really known. If the bar the keg goes missing from pays the $35 deposit, that is the end of their responsibility. The brewery does not still expect them to return the keg. A little different scenario than the deposit on a rented aerator. Similar to you returning a bottle for deposit. You have been compensated, and now how do claim ownership?
cheezydemon said:Indeed, or at least I haven't gotten into kegging yet. Hope I did not offend!
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