Drunk loses $500k in casino, sues, blames free booze

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A California man who lost $500,000 at blackjack and pai gow is suing a new Las Vegas casino, alleging he was too drunk to be allowed to gamble

To me, this has interesting parallels with the direction in which sexual consent laws have been heading. Current legislation is based on the premise that a person who is intoxicated is unable to consent to sex, and thus any sexual activity with a drunk is technically, legally, rape. Not exactly sure what it is when *both* participants are drunk. Did they rape each other?

Regardless, if you cannot consent to sex when drunk, can you consent to borrowing money? If you lend money to someone too drunk to consent to borrowing it, is that theft, in the same vein as sex with someone too drunk to consent is rape?
 
I don't agree with the lawsuit, but he's right. That is exactly why they do it. And everybody knows it. Including him before he started.
 
NickTheGreat said:
I don't agree with the lawsuit, but he's right. That is exactly why they do it. And everybody knows it. Including him before he started.
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So are women who accept drinks from strangers to the point of intoxication partially responsible for any sex they might later engage in, and subsequently regret the next day? The law calls that rape. Shouldn't a similar moral code call this case "theft?"
 
kombat said:
So are women who accept drinks from strangers to the point of intoxication partially responsible for any sex they might later engage in, and subsequently regret the next day? The law calls that rape. Shouldn't a similar moral code call this case "theft?"
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Looking at it logically and consistently, then yes. But laws are not usually logical, and never consistent. :cross: ;)
 
This is the same as the person who spilled hot coffee on themselves at a McDonald's drive through, just a bigger scale. Dude even said he could "obviously afford it", judge should throw it out and he should be known hence forth as the town drunk. Moving on...
 
I have never heard of "a person who is intoxicated is unable to consent to sex". Is that a Canadian law?


...but Yes, the Casino and people who visit Casinos know why they serve free drink$.
 
I love how he does not want the casino to "sully" his good name. The guy goes Downtown in Vegas, gets blackout drunk, and pisses away $500,000. Not $500, not $5,000, but $500 f'ing thousand. And he's worried about his name being "sullied." Sorry, dude. You're permanently labeled as one of the biggest dipsh**s to ever set foot in Clark County.
 
temple240 said:
You're going to want to Google that case before you repeat the McDonald's press release.
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Not sure what I missed, I read the first 3 google hits I got. In my opinion, although she was elderly and severely injured, most, if not all of the fault rests on her. According to the reports she held the cup between her legs as she removed the lid to add sugar/creamer/whatever. Who doesn't expect coffee to be hot, and who wouldn't use both hands, taking care to do ANYTHING with it. Maybe she should have sued Toyota, the car she was in didn't have cup holders.

This mirrors the casino case, the dude won't accept responsibility for his predisposition to drink heavily and the decisions that were made during his drunken stupor. If a guy leaves a bar blacked out and kills someone, does he go free?
 
NickTheGreat said:
I don't agree with the lawsuit, but he's right. That is exactly why they do it. And everybody knows it. Including him before he started.
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No doubt about it.

Legal or not, the right thing to do would have been to not let some blotto drunk gamble away $500,000.
 
htc said:
Not sure what I missed, I read the first 3 google hits I got. In my opinion, although she was elderly and severely injured, most, if not all of the fault rests on her. According to the reports she held the cup between her legs as she removed the lid to add sugar/creamer/whatever. Who doesn't expect coffee to be hot, and who wouldn't use both hands, taking care to do ANYTHING with it. Maybe she should have sued Toyota, the car she was in didn't have cup holders.
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IIRC, the coffee was at a temperature that will cause instant full-thickness burns. For something that's meant to be immediately consumed, that's too hot - unreasonably dangerous, as the lawyers say. Moreover, one of the witnesses testified (paraphrasing here), "Yeah, we knew it was hot enough to cause instant full thickness burns, so what?" AND there was a lengthy history of burn claims prior to this one, and McDonald's brushed them off without changing anything. All that adds up to plenty of fault for McDonald's. In other words, it was unreasonably dangerous, they knew it was unreasonably dangerous, it hurt people in the past and, to use legalese here, McDonald's didn't give a sh*t.

On the other hand, the judgment was something like the profits McDonald's gets from an hour's worth of coffee sales. Lots of money to you and me, but chump change to them.
 
Having gambled in Las Vegas & having consumed their free drinks, I can say there is no way I could get "blackout drunk" from them. Do you have any idea how long it takes them to bring you your free drinks? About 45 minutes between drinks; I timed it once. Now I've never gambled with such high stakes, and maybe they brought him his drinks more quickly than they did me, but that's still no excuse. He's a big boy, apparently he has some experience with both drinking & gambling, he should've known when to quit. Sorry bub, ya fvucked up, nobody to blame but yourself. Don't be a *****.
Regards, GF.
 
temple240 said:
You're going to want to Google that case before you repeat the McDonald's press release.
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Correct. There is a fantastic documentary that shows most Americans are misinformed on this case and mcdonalds was punished for repeatedly ignoring warning signs.


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And just so we all know what the injuries were, it was full-thickness burns to the genitals. And the surrounding tissue too, I guess. But think about that - the genitals. Imagine having all the skin seared off ... the genitals. This isn't someone who got a little owie. This was a really incredibly painful and permanent, life-altering injury.
 
gratus fermentatio said:
Having gambled in Las Vegas & having consumed their free drinks, I can say there is no way I could get "blackout drunk" from them. Do you have any idea how long it takes them to bring you your free drinks? About 45 minutes between drinks; I timed it once. Now I've never gambled with such high stakes, and maybe they brought him his drinks more quickly than they did me, but that's still no excuse. He's a big boy, apparently he has some experience with both drinking & gambling, he should've known when to quit. Sorry bub, ya fvucked up, nobody to blame but yourself. Don't be a *****.
Regards, GF.
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I'm a reasonably seasoned drinker and a single beer is enough to throw off my betting at a night of poker with my buddies. I make it a POINT to NOT drink anything when I'm gambling any amount of money. I suppose it really depends on the game, too.

And of course, that one beer isn't DRASTIC, but it's enough for me to notice variation in my betting patterns that throws me off from my normal winning runs.
 
gratus fermentatio said:
Having gambled in Las Vegas & having consumed their free drinks, I can say there is no way I could get "blackout drunk" from them. Do you have any idea how long it takes them to bring you your free drinks? About 45 minutes between drinks; I timed it once. Now I've never gambled with such high stakes, and maybe they brought him his drinks more quickly than they did me, but that's still no excuse. He's a big boy, apparently he has some experience with both drinking & gambling, he should've known when to quit. Sorry bub, ya fvucked up, nobody to blame but yourself. Don't be a *****.
Regards, GF.
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I can guarantee that if you move from the dollar slots to a high stake game against the house you would get faster service. Casinos are scientifically designed to extract every penny they can from the customer. It really is amazing to me that people are so mathematically challenged that they don't understand the odds. If you gamble in a casino you will lose money.... simple math...
 
iaefebs said:
If you gamble in a casino you will lose money.... simple math...
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I think it would be more accurate to say is that on average, when taken over the aggregate of all players participating in casino games over a sufficiently long timeline, the house will gain a net profit while the players will experience a net loss.

Of course, that doesn't mean some players experience above-average losses, while others actually end up with a profit.
 
But winning AND pushing yourself away from the table with your winnings in your pocket - while it does happen, I refer to that as two consecutive miracles.
 
JonM said:
But winning AND pushing yourself away from the table with your winnings in your pocket - while it does happen, I refer to that as two consecutive miracles.
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Last time I was in Vegas I sat down at a BJ table downtown waiting for some friends. I won about $300 in 20 minutes. I split twice, and doubled down on all of them.

I left. :fro:
 
he might actually have a case if it were over here in Finland, IF he could prove they served him when he was already drunk, since that's illegal all by itself.
 
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