nickster51
Active Member
Dear fellow brewers,
First off, I'm a mechanical engineering student. I've been working on calculations for a homemade counter-flow chiller, or basically an improvement over my 25" immersion chiller I'm sick of waiting on (30-45min cooling for 5-6 gallons). I just finished reading the rib-style immersion chiller thread, so this is partly in response to that.
Which portion of the cooling process limits our chillers? Temperature differential for sure, but isn't a portion of it convection limitations? Assuming copper conducts faster than our chillers are able to convect ( wort -> copper -> water), wouldn't it make the most sense to A. maximize differential (already done with the ribbed design) and B. try to increase convection coefficients.
With B in mind and Having recently reviewed the forced convection chapter in Heat and Mass Transfer: A practical approach (Yunus A. Cengel, p. 477) It seems that the best way to do this is to increase the roughness of the copper tubing. "Heat transfer in turbulent flow in a tube has been increased by as much as 400 percent by roughening the surface". Now my question is, how do we roughen both the internal and external surface of the copper pipe? Would doing so increase the heat transfer limit imposed by the convection characteristic (with the same temp differentials)? Maybe I'm wrong in assuming what limits the transfer.
Let me know if I'm not making any sense. I know there might be strength/sanitary issues, but I think these could be worked around.
First off, I'm a mechanical engineering student. I've been working on calculations for a homemade counter-flow chiller, or basically an improvement over my 25" immersion chiller I'm sick of waiting on (30-45min cooling for 5-6 gallons). I just finished reading the rib-style immersion chiller thread, so this is partly in response to that.
Which portion of the cooling process limits our chillers? Temperature differential for sure, but isn't a portion of it convection limitations? Assuming copper conducts faster than our chillers are able to convect ( wort -> copper -> water), wouldn't it make the most sense to A. maximize differential (already done with the ribbed design) and B. try to increase convection coefficients.
With B in mind and Having recently reviewed the forced convection chapter in Heat and Mass Transfer: A practical approach (Yunus A. Cengel, p. 477) It seems that the best way to do this is to increase the roughness of the copper tubing. "Heat transfer in turbulent flow in a tube has been increased by as much as 400 percent by roughening the surface". Now my question is, how do we roughen both the internal and external surface of the copper pipe? Would doing so increase the heat transfer limit imposed by the convection characteristic (with the same temp differentials)? Maybe I'm wrong in assuming what limits the transfer.
Let me know if I'm not making any sense. I know there might be strength/sanitary issues, but I think these could be worked around.