Unless something screws up my day, I'll be whipping 3G of this up with talus hops tomorrow. I hope no one holds it against me too badly for using whirfloc though!
perhaps a hint of coconut? The first time I had it, it was from a local craft brewery which makes great beers and it had Nelson along with HBC 692 i.e. Talus. When I tasted it I got a faint taste of coconut. Then I looked HBC 692 up and found out it had been named Talus and its the product of sabro and open pollination. I hate coconut, therefore I have never had a sabro beer Ive liked, even if its not prominent. I can taste coconut a mile away! I "tolerated" it in the beer with nelson i.e. I drank the rest of the beer but my wife loved it. lolKind of a bad pic, but solid beer. Passion fruit, grapefruit, and something else we can’t quite place. This recipe has much, much better body than most of my pale ales.
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perhaps a hint of coconut? The first time I had it, it was from a local craft brewery which makes great beers and it had Nelson along with HBC 692 i.e. Talus. When I tasted it I got a faint taste of coconut. Then I looked HBC 692 up and found out it had been named Talus and its the product of sabro and open pollination. I hate coconut, therefore I have never had a sabro beer Ive liked, even if its not prominent. I can taste coconut a mile away! I "tolerated" it in the beer with nelson i.e. I drank the rest of the beer but my wife loved it. lol
The Riwaka I have from 2020 is really potent. That’s definitely a really cool thing to have such low of an alpha but a lot of potency. You could always deviate and use a clean bittering hop like magnum or horizon. Either way it will make a good beerSo Im planning on another one of these but with Riwaka this time but seem to have run into a little snag. I typically have been following the hop schedules as the OP posted but modifications to adjust IBUs. However, with riwaka Aa listed at 6.3% on my YVH packages, the highest I seem to get for IBUs is about 33 whereas the other hops used for this base recipe have always been about 40-42 IBUs so thats quite a difference and OG is 1.058 on all of these. Thus far, Im adding:
1.5oz to 60min boil (25.2 IBUs) and 1.0oz to 10min boil (10.3IBUs), and 3.0oz steep at 160 for 45 minutes (5.0 IBUs) = 40.5 IBUs total : 2oz DH at 3 days.
So seems Im just upping the boil additions to get the IBUs while still steeping at lower temps like I want. All my IBUs are beersmith estimates. These IBUs seem right? Im usually NOT adding this much to the boil, but do want the IBUs to be in the neighborhood of 40 for this receipe.
Yeah thats what Ive heard. I don't have any magnum or horizon but I do have some warrior, so I might do that.The Riwaka I have from 2020 is really potent. That’s definitely a really cool thing to have such low of an alpha but a lot of potency. You could always deviate and use a clean bittering hop like magnum or horizon. Either way it will make a good beer
Looks great man. I really like Riwaka. Such a cool hop and really supports a lot of different hopsjust kegged this Riwaka pale ale today. Force carbed the left overs, and its great! Difficult for me to pick out all the flavors, but it seems to me that this is the NZ version of Citra. Strong citrus (has that sweet fruity citrus on the end of palate) but with a little NZ-esque punch in the middle of the palate. Love it! Poor lighting on the pictures, but its great. I did deviate from the recipe given Riwaka's low AA. So I used warrior at the 60 minute, then did Riwaka additions the rest of the way: 10min boil (0.5oz), WP @ 160 (3oz), DH (2oz). VERY strong flavor. Although I said very Citrus (Citra) dominant, it also has some depth due to the "NZ punch" i.e a little diesel but not much given my schedule and addition amounts.
So, now that I have an idea of what this brings to the table and the fact that Ive done Citra, Nelson, Galaxy before, Im thinking my next NEIPA will be Riwaka, Nelson, Galaxy. Just got to figure out the bittering (boil) hops and the ratios now.
Shout out to @Dgallo for this recipe too. This is the 4th Ive done with this recipe (Idaho 7, Centennial, and Waimea were my others) and I am always stoked to see just how well these are drinkable on keg day (soft crash, DH, hard crash, keg procedures).
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Medusa hops - easy drinker. This recipe will definitely be used frequently going forward.
Shout out to @Dgallo for this recipe too. This is the 4th Ive done with this recipe (Idaho 7, Centennial, and Waimea were my others) and I am always stoked to see just how well these are drinkable on keg day (soft crash, DH, hard crash, keg procedures).
I love to see everyone's thoughts on various single hopped brews in this thread, you guys are definitely saving me a lot of work. @Noob_Brewer how would you rank the single hop ones you've done? It sounds like Riwaka is up there?
Everyone else's rankings are appreciated too!
For my contribution to the thread, I did an HBC630 brew that YCH sent me for Virtual Hop Harvest. I only had 6oz of it though, so I had to pair it with Citra since I know exactly what that brings to the table.
Evaluating 630 pellets by smell, I got the exact descriptors that you'll find online - candied fruit, cherry notes and some mandarin. In terms of the beer itself, I got a whole plethora mandarin and pineapple. More than your standard citrus and cantaloupe that I usually get from Citra, I got a good deal of candied pineapple from this brew. Not much cherry as expected, but definitely candied fruit notes, maybe those candied orange slices you see in the candy stores. Not a bad hop - I wouldn't use it solo in a pale ale or even an IPA, I think Talus has been much better and more potent. 6.3% IPA definitely tastes like more of a pale ale.
I target 68 and then bring it to 70-72 to d-restYes with us-05
Can you drain the grainfather at anytime?I would really like to find a way to make a split batch of this in my Grainfather. Like 5 gallon batch split evenly but with totally different hops. I'm reluctant to brew 5 gallons of Ekuanot beer in case it's terrible.
Do you have a 3 gallon kettle where you could do one on the stove?Yeah I think the best way is to mash and sparge and before boiling pump out half the volume into a bucket. Brew twice.
I do, the issue would be chilling as I use counterflow. I'll probably split pre-boil and do two separate brews.Do you have a 3 gallon kettle where you could do one on the stove?
Going to give this a shot with Galena!
Would love to hear a report back on how this turns out. I've got a 8 oz bag of Galena and only 1 recipe which calls for it...in the amount of one flipping ounce.
I've got a batch of this with Vic Secret right now. It was an open bag, and I was worried about it getting old so I just decided to go with it. Had a little less than an ounce left after setting aside what I needed for the dry hop, so I setup a hop cage in the keg I'm planning on racking it to. I'll let it sit in there for a week at temp, then transfer to a serving keg.
I’ll be hanging around this thread and will keep you updated! Probably won’t get to brew it until next week unless I do a small one gallon batch and scale it up if it’s good.Would love to hear a report back on how this turns out. I've got a 8 oz bag of Galena and only 1 recipe which calls for it...in the amount of one flipping ounce.
I've got a batch of this with Vic Secret right now. It was an open bag, and I was worried about it getting old so I just decided to go with it. Had a little less than an ounce left after setting aside what I needed for the dry hop, so I setup a hop cage in the keg I'm planning on racking it to. I'll let it sit in there for a week at temp, then transfer to a serving keg.
Anytime someone uses the term 'lingering', it makes me think astringency. Normal beer flavors even pine or dank shouldn't linger for an unpleasant amount of time. Hopefully getting off the hops helps. FWIW I did a single hop pale ale awhile back with Vic Secret and different grain bill(heavy vienna) and it was a tropical juice bomb. Not that that means anything, I know different years and lots of the same hop can vary dramaticallyVic Secret
So I force carbed at 35 psi, at 34 degree’ish for 3 days. Keeping in mind, it is sitting on 2 oz of hop pellets in the keg too. So I’m testing/tasting right at the head of it being ready.
The batch is definitely prettier than my Galaxy one, but that has nothing to do with hops.
Definite tropical aromas, with a bit of piney. Tropical character there in the body, feels like a bit of tangerine as well. That pine though...in the finish and just seems to linger in the mouth as an aftertaste.
Not sure if that is the hop, or a sign that I should transfer to a diff keg to get them off of the hops. Thoughts?
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Anytime someone uses the term 'lingering', it makes me think astringency. Normal beer flavors even pine or dank shouldn't linger for an unpleasant amount of time. Hopefully getting off the hops helps. FWIW I did a single hop pale ale awhile back with Vic Secret and different grain bill(heavy vienna) and it was a tropical juice bomb. Not that that means anything, I know different years and lots of the same hop can vary dramatically
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