Avery Kaiser Clone (Imperial Oktoberfest)

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This is from the Dec. 2006 BYO recipe. Has anyone tried this or have any tweaks. I'd like to try my hand at this one next year.

Avery The Kaiser (Imperial Oktoberfest) Clone
5 gallons/19 L, all-grain; OG = 1.085; FG = 1.019; IBU = 23* SRM = 16* ABV = 8.6%

Ingredients:

13.75 lbs. (6.24 kg) pale 2-row malt
1 lb. 6 oz. (0.62 kg) Weyermann Vienna malt
1 lb. 6 oz. (0.62 kg) Weyermann Munich Type I malt (7 °L)
15.3 oz. (0.43 kg) Gambrinus dark Munich malt (20 °L)
8.5 oz. (0.24 kg) Dingemans aromatic malt
4.75 AAU Hallertau Tradition hops (60 mins) (0.79 oz./22 g of 6% alpha acids)
2.5 AAU Sterling hops (30 mins) (0.33 oz./9.5 g of 7.5% alpha acids)
0.6 oz. (17 g) Tettnang hops (0 mins)
0.6 oz. (17 g) Hallertau Hersbrücker hops (0 mins)
Wyeast 2206 (Bavarian Lager) or White Labs 820 (Octoberfest/Märzen) yeast(4 qt./~4 L yeast starter)
0.75 cups corn sugar (for priming)

Step by Step:

Single temperature infusion mash at 152 °F (67 °C), using 5.6 gallons (21 L) of mash liquor heated to 163 °F (73 °C). Mash in, mix for 20 minutes, then rest for 20 minutes. Vorlauf (recirculate) for 15 minutes. Collect 7 gallons (26 L) of wort and check specific gravity (SG). If SG is below 1.061, you can either add dried malt extract to make it 1.061 or collect more wort — up to 9 gallons (34 L) — and extend the boil time accordingly. Boil for 120 minutes, with 3 hop additions. Ferment at 55 °F (13 °C) for the first 24 hours, then drop the temperature to
50 °F (10 °C). When gravity hits 1.030-1.035, let temperature rise to wherever it can for diacetyl rest. Prime beer with corn sugar, or keg.

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Avery The Kaiser (Imperial Oktoberfest) Clone
5 gallons/19 L, countertop partial mash; OG = 1.085; FG = 1.019; IBU = 23* SRM = 16* ABV = 8.5%

Ingredients:

1 lb. 4.2 oz. (0.57 kg) Weyermann Vienna malt
1 lb. 4.2 oz. (0.57 kg) Weyerman Munich Type I malt (7 °L)
15.3 oz. (0.43 kg) Gambrinus dark Munich malt (20 °L)
8.5 oz. (0.24 kg) Dingemans aromatic malt
3.0 lbs. (1.4 kg) Coopers Light dried malt extract
6.0 lbs. (2.7 kg) Coopers Light liquid malt extract (late addition)
4.75 AAU Hallertau Tradition hops (60 mins) (0.79 oz./22 g of 6% alpha acids)
2.5 AAU Sterling hops (30 mins) (0.33 oz./9.5 g of 7.5% alpha acids)
0.60 oz. (17 g) Tettnang hops (0 mins)
0.60 oz. (17 g) Hallertau Hersbrücker hops (0 mins)
Wyeast 2206 (Bavarian Lager) or White Labs 820 (Octoberfest/Märzen) yeast (4 qt./~4 L yeast starter)
0.75 cups corn sugar (for priming)
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Step by Step:

Heat 5.5 quarts (5.2 L) of water to 166 °F (74 °C) and pour into 2-gallon (7.6-L) beverage cooler. Place crushed grains in a nylon steeping bag and submerge. Stir grains well, tie off bag lightly and seal cooler. Let partial mash rest, starting at 155 °F (68 °C), for 45 minutes. (It will most likely drop to around 150 °F (66 °C) by the end of the mash. This is fine.) While partial mash is resting, heat 0.75 gallons (2.8 L) of water to a boil in your brewpot and 5.0 qts. (4.7 L) of water to 180 °F (82 °C) in a large kitchen pot.

Run off first wort and add to boiling water in brewpot. Add the 5.0 qts. (4.7 L) of 180 °F (82 °C) water to the cooler, untie bag, stir grains and let sit for 5 minutes. Run off second wort and add to brewpot. Add dried malt extract and bring to a boil. Add first charge of hops and boil for 60 minutes, adding other hops at times indicated in the ingredient list. With 15 minutes left in boil, stir in half of the liquid malt extract; add the remaining half at the end of the boil. (Keep the boil clock running when adding extract.) Let wort sit 15 minutes before cooling. Cool wort and transfer to fermenter. Add water to make 5 gallons (19 L), aerate well and pitch yeast. Follow fermentation and lagering instructions in all-grain recipe.

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Let me know if this looks good. I tried to keep the numbers as close as I could while using the hops that Avery uses.

Avery Kaiser Imperial Oktoberfest Clone
a Specialty Beer by tango hotel (22)
Type
All Grain
Efficiency
75.0%
Batch size
5.0 gal
Boil time
120 min

Numbers (Estimated)
OG -1.103
FG - 1.026
SRM - 9
IBU - 24
ABV - 10.1%

Fermentables

Pale Malt, 2 Row, US 14.0 lb 73%
Vienna 2.0 lb 10 %
Munich Malt I 2.0 lb 10 %
Aromatic MD™/Amber MD™ 8.0 oz 2 %
Munich Dark (30°L) 0.5 lb 2 %

Hops

Bravo Germany 0.25 oz 60 min Pellet 15.5%
Bravo Germany 0.25 oz 20 min Pellet 15.5%
Tettnanger Germany 0.5 oz 20 min Pellet 4.5%
Hallertau Germany 0.5 oz 20 min Pellet 4.5%

Yeast

Munich Lager 2308 Wyeast 75.0% 48°F – 56°F

Extras

Whirlfloc Tablet 1.0 each 10.0 min Boil

Mash steps

Saccharification Rest Direct Heat 152 degF 80 min
 
Here's the recipe from Avery's website:

The Kaiser Imperial Oktoberfest

OG: 1.085
AE: 1.015

Grist:
Pale 2-Row – 64.7%
Vienna – 11.8%
Munich – 11.8%
Dark Munich – 7.9%
Aromatic – 3.8%

Hops:
60 min – Hallertau (2.7% AA) – 0.60 oz
60 min – Magnum (13.6% AA) – 0.20 oz
30 min – Sterling (6.0% AA) – 0.40 oz
0 min – Tettnang (2.4% AA) – 0.50 oz
0 min – Hersbrucker (2.7% AA) – 0.50 oz

Yeast – Weihenstephan
Ferm Temp – 55F start, 50F mid ferment, diacetyl rest at 1.030 till terminal

I tried it for the first time last year, and have to say that I didn't like it at all. I was expecting it to be like a doppelbock, but the bottle I drank had a big banana/clove profile to it that I found disgusting (hate that flavor profile, and in a big beer like this, I found it awful). I must have gotten a bad bottle-it was very 'Belgiany', which I can't believe was the intention. Clearly, from the fermentation temps it's supposed to be a lager.
 
I made the recipe from Avery's website, I did not use lager yeast, I used US-05 and fermented in the low 60's. That was in March, and I will not be tasting till December. Because of my yeast choice the taste will not be exact, but I bet its close. I have made the old jubilation ale recipe from their site and it tasted pretty darn close to the real one, so I have confidence that this will be close too.
 
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