I have the double chocolate oatmeal stout in the primary right now. It smelled terrible a couple days ago ( Like a VERY hot alcohol smell). Lifted the edge of the lid testerday and the chocolate smell is starting to come through. Anyway, as I posted in another thread the trub is way thick ( to me). When I transfer this to secondary , if I put the racking cane down in the trub like normal it will be completely buried. I THINK it was Revvy who said just shove it into the trub and it will form its own channel, but do you do that even with trub this thick and just lose it when you transfer to the bottling bucket? ..Can you believe I forgot the second question....