EllisTX
Well-Known Member
Got mine today from the Tulsa, OK region. 44 on my Kolsch and 1st in mini BOS! Time to brew me thinks. Cover sheets say results will be posted "no later than May 3rd"
New York Judging Center
How can anything that comes from this center be taken seriously. How well were the entries handled and organized before the event. How could the judges be expected to do their best when it's obvious that they're working for a poorly run event. The level of incompetence makes everything done there come into question.
The second thing unique to NYC (and a lot of people aren't going to like hearing this one but it IS true) is that, in general, most folks here are a lot busier than folks elsewhere.
You pretty much collaborate everything I said and then claim it’s baseless. I’d suggest that if you can’t handle a task in a timely and efficient manner, you shouldn’t VOLUNTEER. A time limit is just that, a limit. For one of the first centers to judge to be one of the last the get out scoresheets does speak to competence. Subjecting contestant’s beer to extra, uncalled for time in a UPS truck and facility is inexcusable. Make all the justifications you’d like. Pat yourself on the back for your great pool of judges. None of it matter if you only provide the very minimum service that’s expected of you.. . . your complaints are utterly baseless.
I'd suggest that if you don't appreciate the hours and days and weeks and months of work that VOLUNTEERS put into this competition then don't enter.
...None of it matter if you only provide the very minimum service thats expected of you.
You can say, "Seattle did it faster," all you want but it doesn't mean that the NYC center has not fulfilled its stated obligations.
Got mine today from the Tulsa, OK region. 44 on my Kolsch and 1st in mini BOS! Time to brew me thinks. Cover sheets say results will be posted "no later than May 3rd"
You pretty much calibrate everything I said and then claim its baseless. Id suggest that if you cant handle a task in a timely and efficient manner, you shouldnt VOLUNTEER. A time limit is just that, a limit. For one of the first centers to judge to be one of the last the get out scoresheets does speak to competence. Subjecting contestants beer to extra, uncalled for time in a UPS truck and facility is inexcusable. Make all the justifications youd like. Pat yourself on the back for your great pool of judges. None of it matter if you only provide the very minimum service thats expected of you.
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You've made it perfectly clear that when it comes to the scoresheets, you're fine with a center doing the absolute minimum that's expected of them. What you fail to see is that it's a combination of things that creates the frustration. Not excepting deliveries. Judges leaving early because of poor organization. These things together put the whole competition in question. These are just the thing we've seen. What other problems were there?
Dude, it's just a homebrew comp. Take a deep breath.
To an extent I'd agree, but it could also be considered _the_ homebrew competition. It's a national competition put on by the only national homebrewing organization. According to what's been posted, the results (i.e. who placed) were not supposed to be published until all results were received, however the scoresheets were supposed to be sent in a timely manner. If space and time are at such a premium in New York, it seems there are any number of other nearby locations that could have been sought out.
people paid to participate in this. They paid to enter, paid for membership, paid to ship beers, paid to attend. Not to mention the copious corporate sponsorships. Someone is making money off this clearly. I have no dog in this fight. I didn't enter beers. You can enter cheaper competitions that have some pretty nice bos prizes elsewhere.
If money changes hands for a competition, the customer (the brewer) has a right to have specific expectations. It's not a mom and pop garage sale after all. So yeah, what you said.
of all the complaints made, this one rings hollowest. NO ONE is making money here.People paid to participate in this. They paid to enter, paid for membership, paid to ship beers, paid to attend. Not to mention the copious corporate sponsorships. Someone is making money off this clearly.
of all the complaints made, this one rings hollowest. NO ONE is making money here.
get over yourselves.
I'm impatient and really don't understand why it has taken almost a week, and counting, to post the winners but lets not overreact here. I hate to say it but give them so more time before overreacting. I will say that with the high entry fees my expectation was that results would be up within a few days like every other competition I have entered. The ongoing delay is not acceptable for any competition and I hope they address this going forward.
Read their website. It says results cannot be posted until all judging centers are done and submitted, and states a day that will be posted by. Since judging was finished last week, they've had several days to post the winners. Every other competition I've entered has them up in 48 hours with the longest wait being 5 days.
TNGabe said:How many of those had 8000 entries spread across 11 judging sites?
Oh come on. It's a cover sheet that the competition organizer sends in to the AHA that they upload to their website. The software is supposed to do all the heavy lifting. I'm not talking about the individual scores or sheets, but the winners for each category.
May 4th is only a week away.
of all the complaints made, this one rings hollowest. NO ONE is making money here.
get over yourselves.
True. It's also another week closer to the shipping deadline for round 2. At this point, I'm pretty certain that I'm past the point to rebrew the two lagers I sent in and getting close for my fruit beer. Now you might say, well you should have re-brewed anyway and I get that but I also don't want to tie up my fermentation chamber for several weeks unnecessarily (not to mention my time and money for ingredients, brew day, etc.) when all the AHA has to do is list the winners for each region. Braufessor summed up my thoughts much more succinctly that I was able to do.
Please do these things:
Write 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place as appropriate on the cover sheets of the winning entries, and send all score sheets to the entrants ASAP following the competition.
Verbally announce the winners after the conclusion of the competition.
Please do NOT do these things:
Make hard copies of the competition results available.
Post the competition results on a website.
Email or electronically make available the results from the competition.
There is a perception of fairness, or the lack thereof, when we post competition results before all of the competitions have finished judging. Thanks.
It's not like my entry is moving on anyway, but I am bothered by the fact that things are set up to provide a competitive advantage to (most) folks who enter the first round regions which are judged sooner.
I still haven't gotten my score sheets back, what gives?
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