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Old 10-26-2008, 03:31 AM   #1
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I'm looking for a clone recipe of Firestone Walker's Union Jack IPA. Anybody have anything close?
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Old 10-28-2008, 07:32 AM   #2
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I like this beer too....haven't seen a recipe but have you tried contacting Firestone and asking for help? Some breweries are helpful.
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Old 10-28-2008, 03:33 PM   #3
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The brewery did get back to me. They said that they couldn't give me the recipe, but that the grains and hops used are listed on their web site. They also said "Don't be afraid to get creative with the hops...... and even throw some in the mashtun." So, after visiting the web site I played around with the grain and hop bills and came up with this:

Union Jack Clone
14-B American IPA

Size: 10.56 gal
Efficiency: 65.0%
Attenuation: 75.0%
Calories: 247.01 kcal per 12.0 fl oz

Original Gravity: 1.074 (1.056 - 1.075)
Terminal Gravity: 1.018 (1.010 - 1.018)
Color: 12.14 (6.0 - 15.0)
Alcohol: 7.3% (5.5% - 7.5%)
Bitterness: 71.9 (40.0 - 70.0)

Ingredients:
25.0 lb Pale Ale Malt
4.0 lb Munich Malt
3.0 lb Crystal Malt 10°L
1.0 lb Cara-Pils® Malt
2.0 oz Simcoe (13.0%) - added during mash
2.0 oz Warrior (16.0%) - added during boil, boiled 60 min
3.25 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added during boil, boiled 15 min
1 lb Corn Sugar - added during the boil, boiled 10 minutes
4.0 oz Centennial (10.0%) - added during boil, boiled 0.0 min
1.0 oz Amarillo (8.5%) - added dry to primary fermenter
1.0 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added dry to primary fermenter
1.0 oz Centennial (10.0%) - added dry to primary fermenter
1.0 oz Chinook (13.0%) - added dry to primary fermenter
1.0 oz Simcoe (13.0%) - added dry to primary fermenter

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Old 10-28-2008, 05:53 PM   #4
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I also love the Union Jack.

I would guess that the Munich is too high in your recipe.
I am curious if there is a touch of honey malt in the Jack.

Your hops look expensive - but I'm sure there is simcoe, cascade and amarillo in the dry-hop and flavor additions based on taste.

Once I get some fresh 2008 hops I am going to try this recipe - so keep us posted.
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Old 10-28-2008, 08:09 PM   #5
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Just curious what recipes others would come up with. From the Firestone/Walker web site:

STYLE:
American IPA

* Alcohol By Volume- 7.5%
* Color - 8L (Pale)
* IBU- 72 (High)

MALTS:

* Premium Two-Row (Metcalf & Kendall varieties)
* Munich
* Cara Pils
* Simpson’s Light Crystal

HOPS: (4 lbs/BBL)
o Bittering - Warrior, Simcoe
o Late Kettle - Cascade, Centennial
o Dry Hops - Amarillo, Cascade, Centennial, Chinook, Simcoe
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Old 05-16-2009, 01:56 AM   #6
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Did you try making this? Just poured my first pint from a bomber and it is awesome. I get a strong simcoe and chinook aroma, and the malt flavor is exactly what I look for in a piney IPA. Would love to do a version similar...
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Old 05-16-2009, 02:26 PM   #7
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Not yet. I'm starting small and moving up to this one. Just kegged the B3 version of Blind Pig IPA (with my own twists of course). It's very good, but nothing like UJ. I've only brewed 85 gallons of beer so far (brewing 10 more today) so I'm becoming more comfortable with my recipe formulation. The Munich in the recipe above is way too much though, I'd probably cut it down to 1 - 1.5 lbs. I'd also probably bring the Centennial addition at 0 minutes back up to 15 minutes for more flavor.
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Old 06-05-2010, 10:06 PM   #8
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So Lucky, how did it turn out? Anyone try this recipe?

Before I read this thread, I took a stab at a recipe using their website & a bottle for tasting. I am planning to brew this soon. My malt bill came out very similar. Key differences are in the hop schedule, which I'm sure would come out great either way.

I also wanted to be sure to capture that lovely heavy/chewy mouthfeel.. it supports the hops so well! So not sure where best to mash ... 156? 158?

Any & all commets are welcome...
--LexusChris

Code:
Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 5.00 gal      
Boil Size: 6.27 gal
Estimated OG: 1.077 SG
Estimated Color: 8.1 SRM
Estimated IBU: 74.8 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount        Item                                      Type         % or IBU      
11.00 lb      Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM)            Grain        72.13 %       
2.00 lb       Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM)              Grain        13.11 %       
1.50 lb       Caramel/Crystal Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM)     Grain        9.84 %        
0.75 lb       Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM)              Grain        4.92 %        
0.75 oz       Simcoe [13.00 %]  (60 min)                Hops         28.8 IBU      
0.50 oz       Chinook [13.00 %]  (Dry Hop 7 days)       Hops          -            
0.50 oz       Centennial [10.00 %]  (Dry Hop 7 days)    Hops          -            
0.75 oz       Warrior [15.00 %]  (60 min)               Hops         33.2 IBU      
1.00 oz       Cascade [5.50 %]  (Dry Hop 7 days)        Hops          -            
1.00 oz       Amarillo Gold [8.50 %]  (Dry Hop 7 days)  Hops          -            
0.50 oz       Simcoe [13.00 %]  (Dry Hop 7 days)        Hops          -            
0.50 oz       Centennial [10.00 %]  (10 min)            Hops         5.3 IBU       
0.50 oz       Cascade [5.50 %]  (10 min)                Hops         2.9 IBU       
0.50 oz       Centennial [10.00 %]  (5 min)             Hops         2.9 IBU       
0.50 oz       Cascade [5.50 %]  (5 min)                 Hops         1.6 IBU       
1 Pkgs        California Ale (White Labs #WLP001)       Yeast-Ale                  


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Full Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 15.25 lb
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Single Infusion, Full Body, Batch Sparge
Step Time     Name               Description                         Step Temp     
45 min        Mash In            Add 4.77 gal of water at 170.5 F    156.0 F

 
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Old 06-05-2010, 10:48 PM   #9
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Can You Brew It just had a Brynildganza. The first episode should post Tuesday I think.. it will contain the complete interview, but not the final recipe. This was Tasty's attempt, and he apparently absolutely nailed it.
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Old 07-24-2010, 11:22 PM   #10
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Heya,

After listening to the brewing network's broadcast on Firestone Walker beers, I refined my recipe and brewed it last month. My LHBS did not have Simcoe hops, so I subbed Columbus and hoped for the best....

Its been 30 days since brewday, and I tasted it side by side with FW Union Jack today. Very close! Slightly more citrus & carmel than the real thing, but very close and very enjoyable!

Here is the recipe I started with...
Code:
Recipe: Union Jax IPA
Brewer: LexusChris
Asst Brewer: 
Style: American IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (35.0) 

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 5.50 gal      
Boil Size: 7.20 gal
Estimated OG: 1.070 SG
Estimated Color: 7.6 SRM
Estimated IBU: 93.7 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount        Item                                      Type         % or IBU      
11.00 lb      Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM)            Grain        72.13 %       
2.00 lb       Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM)              Grain        13.11 %       
1.50 lb       Caramel/Crystal Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM)     Grain        9.84 %        
0.75 lb       Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM)              Grain        4.92 %        
0.50 oz       Chinook [13.00 %]  (Dry Hop 14 days)      Hops          -            
0.50 oz       Centennial [10.00 %]  (Dry Hop 14 days)   Hops          -            
0.75 oz       Warrior [14.00 %]  (60 min)               Hops         30.6 IBU      
0.75 oz       Simcoe [13.00 %]  (60 min)                Hops         28.4 IBU      
1.00 oz       Cascade [5.50 %]  (Dry Hop 14 days)       Hops          -            
1.00 oz       Amarillo Gold [8.50 %]  (Dry Hop 14 days) Hops          -            
0.50 oz       Simcoe [13.00 %]  (Dry Hop 14 days)       Hops          -            
1.00 oz       Cascade [5.50 %]  (30 min)                Hops         12.3 IBU      
1.00 oz       Centennial [10.00 %]  (30 min)            Hops         22.4 IBU      
1.50 oz       Centennial [10.00 %]  (0 min)             Hops          -            
1.50 oz       Cascade [5.50 %]  (0 min)                 Hops          -            
0.50 tsp      Irish Moss (Boil 10.0 min)                Misc                       
2.00 gm       Calcium Chloride (Mash 60.0 min)          Misc                       
4.00 gm       Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) (Mash 60.0 min)  Misc                       
9.28 gal      Irvine, CA Tap Water                      Water                      
1 Pkgs        California Ale (White Labs #WLP001) [StartYeast-Ale                  


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 15.25 lb
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Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge
Step Time     Name               Description                         Step Temp     
60 min        Mash In            Add 4.73 gal of water at 159.2 F    148.0 F
I changed the hop schedule for Columbus hops like this.
Code:
0.40 oz       Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.50 %]  (Dry Hop 14Hops          -            
1.00 oz       Cascade [5.50 %]  (Dry Hop 14 days)       Hops          -            
0.50 oz       Chinook [11.10 %]  (Dry Hop 14 days)      Hops          -            
0.75 oz       Warrior [11.00 %]  (60 min)               Hops         24.0 IBU      
0.60 oz       Centennial [10.00 %]  (Dry Hop 14 days)   Hops          -            
0.60 oz       Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.50 %]  (60 min)   Hops         25.3 IBU      
0.50 oz       Amarillo Gold [8.50 %]  (Dry Hop 14 days) Hops          -            
1.00 oz       Cascade [5.50 %]  (30 min)                Hops         12.3 IBU      
1.00 oz       Centennial [9.10 %]  (30 min)             Hops         20.4 IBU      
1.50 oz       Cascade [5.50 %]  (0 min)                 Hops          -            
1.50 oz       Centennial [9.10 %]  (0 min)              Hops          -
BTW, Irivine water is:
Code:
Name: Irvine, CA Tap Water
PH: 8.1

Calcium: 36.0
Magnesium: 13.0
Sodium: 75.0
Sulfate: 33.0
Chloride: 54.0
Bicarbonate: 142.0
Notes: Irvine, CA tap water tested 9/9/09 by Ward's Lab
Can't wait to get my hands on some Simcoe and brew this again!

--LexusChris

 
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