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trav77

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I put my new eBIAB system through its first brew yesterday and everything went smooth. Hit all my numbers except the OG, which is what I don't understand.

Est Mash Eff = 74.5%
Meas Mash Eff = 72.2%

Est Pre-Boil Vol = 7.38 gal
Measured Boil vol = 7.4 gal

Est Pre-Boil Gravity = 1.043
Meas Pre-Boil Grav = 1.042

Boil Off = 1.06 gal
Post Boil = 6.32 gal
Trub Loss = 0.53 gal

Cooling Loss = 0.25 gal
Batch Vol (into the fermenter) = 5.55 gal

Est OG = 1.053 (?)

I hit all of these number almost dead on but my measured OG was 1.048 not 1.053. Quite certain it was well mixed and I didn't pull a stratified sample.

Even if I did, BS's estimated numbers don't make sense to me. It should be a simple concentration ratio between pre (1) and post (2) boil, no?

If I just use BS's estimated numbers:

C1V1 = C2V2
(43)(7.38) = C2(6.32+0.53)
C2 = 46

So my OG should have been 1.046 (which is much closer to my 1.048... especially when the simple equation above doesn't take into account the volume of the hops/trub itself). In any case, I can't see how it should have been 1.053

Any thoughts?
 
I put my new eBIAB system through its first brew yesterday and everything went smooth. Hit all my numbers except the OG, which is what I don't understand.

Est Mash Eff = 74.5%
Meas Mash Eff = 72.2%

Est Pre-Boil Vol = 7.38 gal
Measured Boil vol = 7.4 gal

Est Pre-Boil Gravity = 1.043
Meas Pre-Boil Grav = 1.042

Boil Off = 1.06 gal
Post Boil = 6.32 gal
Trub Loss = 0.53 gal

Are these the predicted values or your actual values. How much do they differ?

Cooling Loss = 0.25 gal
Batch Vol (into the fermenter) = 5.55 gal

Again, how is this different from your planned volume (batch size)

Est OG = 1.053 (?)

I hit all of these number almost dead on but my measured OG was 1.048 not 1.053. Quite certain it was well mixed and I didn't pull a stratified sample.

Even if I did, BS's estimated numbers don't make sense to me. It should be a simple concentration ratio between pre (1) and post (2) boil, no?

If I just use BS's estimated numbers:

C1V1 = C2V2
(43)(7.38) = C2(6.32+0.53)
C2 = 46

So my OG should have been 1.046 (which is much closer to my 1.048... especially when the simple equation above doesn't take into account the volume of the hops/trub itself). In any case, I can't see how it should have been 1.053

Any thoughts?

Maybe if you save and attach the .bsmx file from BeerSmith, I can puzzle it out.
 
Volumes I wrote were the predicted but my measured were almost exactly the same. But let's ignore all of my measured values for a moment. How can these BS predicted values equate to OG of 1.053?

Pre-Boil Vol = 7.38 gal
Pre-Boil Gravity = 1.043
Boil Off = 1.06 gal
Post Boil = 6.32 gal
Trub Loss = 0.53 gal
Cooling Loss = 0.25 gal
Batch Vol (into the fermenter) = 5.55 gal
Est OG = 1.053 (?)
 
With all the people that use BeerSmith I doubt it is an issue with the software. More likely an issue with the user not putting in accurate values or measurement errors.

If your numbers above are correct, here is what I calculate: 7.4 gallons pre-boil at 1.042. 7.4 gallons is the hot volume, so cold it would be 7.12 gallons. 7.12 x 42 points = 298.8. 7.12 - 1.06 boil off = 6.06 gallons.

298.8 points / 6.06 gallons = 49.3 points or 1.049 post boil.
 
With all the people that use BeerSmith I doubt it is an issue with the software. More likely an issue with the user not putting in accurate values or measurement errors.

If your numbers above are correct, here is what I calculate: 7.4 gallons pre-boil at 1.042. 7.4 gallons is the hot volume, so cold it would be 7.12 gallons. 7.12 x 42 points = 298.8. 7.12 - 1.06 boil off = 6.06 gallons.

298.8 points / 6.06 gallons = 49.3 points or 1.049 post boil.

Exactly. I had first come up with similar number, but looking at the equipment profile and full recipe may give some insight or may point to an error which can be reported to Brad.
 
Exactly. I had first come up with similar number, but looking at the equipment profile and full recipe may give some insight or may point to an error which can be reported to Brad.

I'll have another look at it tonight and send the file.

I wasn't implying that there is an issue with BSs calculation. I've used it for years on my 3v system and always hit my numbers. I'm sure it's a setting somewhere but can't figure out what. That's why I'm confused on this... it's just BIAB so should be very simple math!
 
If your numbers above are correct, here is what I calculate: 7.4 gallons pre-boil at 1.042. 7.4 gallons is the hot volume, so cold it would be 7.12 gallons. 7.12 x 42 points = 298.8. 7.12 - 1.06 boil off = 6.06 gallons.

298.8 points / 6.06 gallons = 49.3 points or 1.049 post boil.

True... this is the correct way to do it. My previous calc was off a bit there. So yes, corresponding pretty close to my measured OG of 1.048 and a ways off the predicted value of 1.053.
 
Well, in a very unscientific manner I went and tweaked a number of things at once and now it seems to be working out as expected. Still no idea why the original parameters were off.

I hereby nominate this thread for useless thread of the year award.
 
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