Yeast growth phase

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Theoretically, is it possible to get your yeast to go dormant just after growth phase, but prior to switching over to fermenting?

In practice, if I aerated or swirled a yeast starter continuously until the yeast consumed all the nutrients in the media (wort), would they go dormant in their aerobic state? Or, do you have to allow the yeast to ferment before you can store them?

Since yeast are healthier in their aerobic phase than their anaerobic phase, would this method make for better yeast for pitching?
 
Theoretically, is it possible to get your yeast to go dormant just after growth phase, but prior to switching over to fermenting?

The thing is, the yeast are fermenting during the growth stage. Here's a reference from White Labs.

The other important thing to note is that there is overlap between the stages. The yeast don't move on to the next stage in unison. Some are in the growth phase while some are still in the lag phase.
 
The thing is, the yeast are fermenting during the growth stage. Here's a reference from White Labs.

The other important thing to note is that there is overlap between the stages. The yeast don't move on to the next stage in unison. Some are in the growth phase while some are still in the lag phase.

What's interesting about that pdf is Chris White saying that pitching at a higher temp does not affect ester production, while conversely, Jamil Zainasheff advocates pitching cooler than fermentation temp to suppress ester production. They just wrote a book together about yeast, wonder what that says.
 
What's interesting about that pdf is Chris White saying that pitching at a higher temp does not affect ester production, while conversely, Jamil Zainasheff advocates pitching cooler than fermentation temp to suppress ester production. They just wrote a book together about yeast, wonder what that says.

That is interesting and does seem conflicting. I actually just got the booked and checked it. Sure enough, they say to pitch the yeast a couple of degrees below your optimum fermentation temperature (68F for most ales) and let it rise up, because most of the flavor compounds are produced within the first 72 hours. Go figure.
 
You will not get flavor production during the lag phase like White says. If you pitch a few degrees below your desired fermentation temp then the exothermic reaction will bring up the temp to your desired fermentation temp during the exponential growth phase where most of the ester, phenols, etc are created. Doing so means that when most of the flavor compounds are being created the temp is coming up to desired temp giving a slight reduction in flavor compound production. So from that perspective they are both correct in what they were saying, just looking at different aspects.

There is also consideration to yeast health in that it is better to have them experience a slight warming than a slight cooling.
 
You will not get flavor production during the lag phase like White says. If you pitch a few degrees below your desired fermentation temp then the exothermic reaction will bring up the temp to your desired fermentation temp during the exponential growth phase where most of the ester, phenols, etc are created. Doing so means that when most of the flavor compounds are being created the temp is coming up to desired temp giving a slight reduction in flavor compound production. So from that perspective they are both correct in what they were saying, just looking at different aspects.

There is also consideration to yeast health in that it is better to have them experience a slight warming than a slight cooling.

I see what you're saying, it just seems contradictory that he mentions pitching warm then lowering the temperature in that document, but pitching cool then letting it warm in the book.

I suppose you could pitch warm and still be OK if you get it down to temp. within a few hours (while still in lag phase). It's just a matter of practicality for the brewer.
 
My interpretation was that White was saying that you can pitch warm without creating off flavors during the lag phase; however, did not interpret it as him saying it is a recommended brewing practice.
 
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