naiek
Well-Known Member
Is there a reason for it to be raw other than strict adherence to a rule that, in this case, serves no purpose?
I was going to brew a batch of this, but I am not sure whether to add the vegans to the mash, boil or secondary?
Even though when it's done it will be bitter, insufferable, and of course, morally superior in every sense and it will most likely be terrible, it won't matter because it will be self conscious and aware
I think when it's done I'll name it Sanctimonious Ale...
MalFet said:The irony in these kinds of threads is always pretty darn thick. The general theme here seems to be how judgmental vegans are, and yet the handful of actual vegans present (which doesn't include me) appear to be the only ones not passing judgment on anyone.
The hostility towards vegans here is pretty bizarre. Considering how marginal homebrewing in the wider world, you think we'd be a little more sympathetic to people with weird food preferences.
The irony in these kinds of threads is always pretty darn thick. The general theme here seems to be how judgmental vegans are, and yet the handful of actual vegans present (which doesn't include me) appear to be the only ones not passing judgment on anyone.
I agree completely Yooper.. I have always been a vegetarian and proud of it. However over the last 2 years I have been starting to eat a little meat. So now it's not so easy to classify my diet - I will do some very fresh seafood, or on a whim I may have some other type of meat but in very small quantities. I had some venison jerky the other day someone offered me.Yooper said:It's a slippery slope when we try to depersonalize people into "vegans", "vegetarians", "carnivores", etc.
Many people eat mindlessly, going through a McDonald's drive through. A few health conscious individuals eat with forethought and deliberation. Don't knock it until you've tried it.
the majority of beer is vegan
and most vegan dishes are plenty tasty - may not be an ideal lifestyle or way to eat everyday all the time but to say all vegan food is terrible is a pretty ignorant blanket statement
It's ok... Oftentimes the meat eaters that are really anti vegan/vegetarian are typically obese. In fact I've made some interesting graphs that show that the fatter they are, the more they hate vegans/vegetarians. It's empirical now.
CGVT said:Interesting, I usually see those that subscribe to the food pyramid and eat a lot of grain, corn and carbs tend to be fat. The meat eaters are usually much more healthy.
BTW, not sure who on here is anti vegan/vegetarian. I tend to dislike humorless, sanctimonious *****es regardless of what they like to eat.
Now if you will excuse me, after I finish my veal, I have baby seals to club and carbon fuels to burn...
Now if you will excuse me, after I finish my veal, I have baby seals to club and carbon fuels to burn...
brewingmeister said:A friend of mine has been a vegetarian for decades and her family raised beef when she was growing up. Although while pregnant her Dr strongly encouraged her to diversify her eating habits because she was endangering the baby and herself from not getting enough nourishment.
bottlebomber said:He's out of his mind. I've didn't have as much as a Slim Jim growing up and I'm 6'6" and 245 lbs. No apparent lack of nourishment there. If the doctor thinks you need to eat meat to get proper nourishment he must be from the beef belt. My ex wife was vegetarian, and although she was very tiny our boys all weighed over 8 lbs and were off the charts for size all through their pediatrics. They are now eating a 99% vegetarian diet and are monsters... I think ignorance plays a large part in this thinking. What does meat provide that a vegetarian diet does not?
bottlebomber said:He's out of his mind. I've didn't have as much as a Slim Jim growing up and I'm 6'6" and 245 lbs. No apparent lack of nourishment there. If the doctor thinks you need to eat meat to get proper nourishment he must be from the beef belt. My ex wife was vegetarian, and although she was very tiny our boys all weighed over 8 lbs and were off the charts for size all through their pediatrics. They are now eating a 99% vegetarian diet and are monsters... I think ignorance plays a large part in this thinking. What does meat provide that a vegetarian diet does not?
Nope, not even a little bit. My parents went veg in the 60's and stayed that way.terrapinj said:No meat or little meat starting at birth for you and your kids?
I'm not upset, it's just crazy sometimes how little some people know about about nutrition. I would definitely question the doctor, but I have no need to lecture anyone until they say that it is somehow less healthy being vegetarian. As far as bacon wrapped jalapeños, I have secret plans to assemble some ABTs ASAP. I just haven't had a chance. Even though I've never had bacon or little smokies I think it would be one of those exception worthy occasions.brewingmeister said:Deep breaths man, I was merely retelling a story I though related. Would you like me to ask if she can supply the Dr's info so you can lecture them? Don't be the angry vegetarian.
I'm not a Dr but I play one on the internet....prescriptions of bacon wrapped jalapenos for everyone.
The irony in these kinds of threads is always pretty darn thick. The general theme here seems to be how judgmental vegans are, and yet the handful of actual vegans present (which doesn't include me) appear to be the only ones not passing judgment on anyone.
It's ok... Oftentimes the meat eaters that are really anti vegan/vegetarian are typically obese. In fact I've made some interesting graphs that show that the fatter they are, the more they hate vegans/vegetarians. It's empirical now.
I didn't read through all 90 posts so forgive me if this is embedded in here somewhere. Have any of you run into the hard-core paleo dieters? My bro does it and it's like a religion to him. Hey, if he feels better because of it, great. My issue is when I have to endure his sermons on why it's such the better lifestyle than the way I eat and how I choose to live. Not everyone can hit a crossfit box 3-4 times a week or convince their family to fairly drastically change their diet. Besides, I HATE sorghum based beers.
Yes, that's just one person and purely anecdotal. I just had to get that off my chest and this seemed like an appropriate place to do it. My brother doesn't seem to get that I don't want to hear it anymore even after I've told him as much. And I really don't want to spend another half a day brewing beer that I don't like to drink only to get a complaint or too from him after it's gone. Ah family...the ties that bind and gag.
I am surely not a vegan, and haven't passed judgement on anyone. I've shared my experience with vegans, which admittedly has been bad, but that's the extent of it.
I understand that you insist you are referring to only "the vegans you have met", but if you don't intend for us to draw more generalized conclusions, why are you bothering to tell us at all? Is the point that we should find your friends and acquaintances intrinsically interesting?
The hostility towards vegans here is pretty bizarre. Considering how marginal homebrewing in the wider world, you think we'd be a little more sympathetic to people with weird food preferences.
I didn't mean to upset you. I also fail to understand why you continue to berate me with rhetorical questions. They serve no purpose but to call me out, and for no reason. They are just presumptuous means of implying that my intent was something that it surely was not.
I didn't intend for anyone to draw any generalized conclusions. I was simply partaking in the conversation. When was that disallowed? Is my perspective or experience less valid than yours? That is a serious question.
Trust me when I say that I'm not "upset". I'm enjoying a cup of coffee and bouncing between my newspaper and HBT. In any case, I am now rolling my eyes, as I always do when somebody tells me that I am "upset". I'm not sure what gives you the impression that anything I am saying is an emotional response. It's trashy rhetoric, a way to dismiss someone's position without bothering to engage the substance of it. There's no need to drag things down to that. Are you upset?
More generally, I don't really go in for the "everybody's perspective is equally valid because we're all beautiful flowers" thing. No gold stars just for showing up. Your perspective is as valid as the conclusions it leads you to, no more and no less. As I keep saying, my only horse in this race is that I find it discouraging for homebrewers to buy-in to simplistic stereotyping of people with weird food interests. That same dynamic is why I don't talk about brewing beer at work. I'd be met with exactly this kind of chest-pounding ridicule. What an unpleasant fact about American culture, eh?
Trust me when I say that I'm not "upset". I'm enjoying a cup of coffee and bouncing between my newspaper and HBT. In any case, I am now rolling my eyes, as I always do when somebody tells me that I am "upset". I'm not sure what gives you the impression that anything I am saying is an emotional response. It's trashy rhetoric, a way to dismiss someone's position without bothering to engage the substance of it. There's no need to drag things down to that. Are you upset?
More generally, I don't really go in for the "everybody's perspective is equally valid because we're all beautiful flowers" thing. No gold stars just for showing up. Your perspective is as valid as the conclusions it leads you to, no more and no less. As I keep saying, my only horse in this race is that I find it discouraging for homebrewers to buy-in to simplistic stereotyping of people with weird food interests. That same dynamic is why I don't talk about brewing beer at work. I'd be met with exactly this kind of chest-pounding ridicule. What an unpleasant fact about American culture, eh?
...hard-core paleo dieters? ... crossfit box 3-4 times a week...
...I think ignorance plays a large part in this thinking. What does meat provide that a vegetarian diet does not?
Doing crossfit on hard-core paleo would be tough. I think most of those guys are "primal" not paleo, meaning they ingest small amounts of tuber-type carbs (i.e., potatoes). Ketones are great, but glucose really helps with the high intensity stuff.
I've been doing some research on this, and I've found the evidence pretty compelling in favor of meat. Grass fad, pasture quality meat, not feed-lot, corn-fed garbage. I think a lot of the paleo/primal stuff is very fad-like, almost cult-like, but some of the research is extremely compelling.
Here's some reading I found interesting:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread67217.html
http://garytaubes.com/2012/03/science-pseudoscience-nutritional-epidemiology-and-meat/
http://nuclearfuzzgrunge.com/tlcm/
Again, I'm not pushing ideology here, just fostering discussion. I wholly affirm that we, the human race, don't know everything and there is no dietary silver bullet that cures all ails...Adam's curse prevails. And, my respect for you is not contingent upon your dietary choices.
Oh, he's hard-core Paleo alright. If a cave man couldn't pick it or kill it, he won't eat it. I tried doing a modified version of the diet, but that didn't last long.
Don't look now, but you're engaging in it.
...the most I ever learned from one single source was from the book The China Study. Sure, it's not going to be what most people want to hear, so many will dismiss it, but it's pretty compelling. Basically the largest study on the effects of nutrition in the history of humankind.
Just out of curiosity, who here eats dog?
Back to the original question - making a non animal raw beer.
stipulation - yeast is not an animal - technically it is a Fungi (fun guy? well it makes my beer fun sorry)
1. Get some raw grain, malt it, freeze it to stop the growth after a few days. But you probably need to set the freezer on "sub artic" because these dang little seeds are designed to survive winters.
2. I've been trying to figure out sanitation of the wort, which won't be boiled and the best I've come up with is to acid wash all the grain an hops (or other spice) and then rinse a few times to remove most of the acid characteristics.
3. At this point we still need to mash it, and an artifical mash process has to be used. This would require something like amyalze or some such used to break down starchs. I'm not ware how it is made, so I don't know if it counts in the 'vegan' catagory as typically described. Water would be added here
4. Filter off the grains. after checking gravities
5. Put it in a fermentor with hpos (or other spice choice) and yeast to ferment.
I wish people weren't so up in arms over what other people choose to eat.
Again, that sounds like primal, but the distinction is pretty minimal.
Most modified versions don't last long. If you're still ingesting carbs/glucose, you kinda get stuck in "no man's" land where you're not getting enough glucose to function at 100%, but not yet adapted to burning fat, so you feel sluggish, tired, headachey, terrible. Not pushing you one way or the other, but you really have to commit to it to feel the benefits, whatever they may be.
Can you be more specific? I don't follow what you are saying.
Enter your email address to join: