Double batch, but one fermentor isn't starting. Can I...

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Yesterday I brewed my first all-grain 10 gallon batch and split the wort between two five gallon fermentors. I pitched Wyeast Kolsch yeast directly from the smack-packs, one pack per five gallons. One fermentor is a raging storm of activity and the other is showing no signs of activity.

Can I simply grab a cup of wort with my thief from the fermenting batch and use it to innocuate the still batch? If so, how much should I use?

Thanks for any help.
 
How do you know the second one isn't going at all? If it is simply lack of airlock activity, pop the lid and look in. I'll bet it is going too. Probably the lid isn't quite sealed, so the gas is escaping there instead of through the airlock.
 
Thanks for the reply. I'm using two glass fermentors and one is blowing off like crazy and the other hasn't even started. No signs of life.
 
Always remember first, https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f39/fermentation-can-take-24-72-hrs-show-visible-signs-43635/. If it hasn't been 72 hours there's nothing to worry yet.

Secondly, it doesn't sound like you bothered to make a starter. It's really a good idea to make starters when using ANY liguid yeast for all beers above 1.020 OG...

The biggest reason I suggest folks make a starter is if you make one you'll have peace of mind.

And you won't be starting an "is my yeast dead" thread in a couple of days.:D

Making a starter first insures that your yeast is still alive and viable before you dump it in your beer. You will be less likely to start one of those "is my yeast dead?" threads that are on here every day.

You will also ensure that you have enough yeast usually the tubes and smack packs are a lot less yeast that you really should use for healthy fermentation.

Making a starter also usually means your beer will take off sooner, because the first thing that the little buggers do in the presence of wort (whether in a flask or in a fermenter) is have an orgy to reproduce enough cells to do the job...So it won't take such a long time in the fermenter since they started doing it in the flask.

Additionally it is better for the yeast to consume and reproduce incrementally rather than just dumping them into the fermenter...The yeast will be less stressed out than if you just dump them in.

Stressed out yeast can lead to a lot of off flavors...maybe even (though rare) the dreaded autolysis....Or the curse of 1.030....getting a stuck fermentation because the yeast have bit the dust.

So making a starter proves your yeast is still healthy, allows you to grow enough yeast to do the job, cuts down on lag time, and ensures that you will not get off flavors or stuck ferementations from stressed out yeast.

And thirdly, you prove the wild nature of those living micro organisms that we rely on so heavily. There is nothing "typical" in brewing...every fermentation is different, and should not be used to compare one with another...you can't do that.

No two fermentations are ever exactly the same.

When we are dealing with living creatures, there is a wild card factor in play..Just like with other animals, including humans...No two behave the same.

You can split a batch in half put them in 2 identical carboys, and pitch equal amounts of yeast from the same starter...and have them act completely differently...for some reason on a subatomic level...think about it...yeasties are small...1 degree difference in temp to us, could be a 50 degree difference to them...one fermenter can be a couple degrees warmer because it's closer to a vent all the way across the room and the yeasties take off...

Someone, Grinder I think posted a pic once of 2 carboys touching each other, and one one of the carboys the krausen had formed only on the side that touched the other carboy...probably reacting to the heat of the first fermentation....but it was like symbiotic or something...

With living micro-organisms there is always a wildcard factor in play...and yet the yeast rarely lets us down. So it is best just to rdwhahb and trust that they know to what they are doing.

Don't assume the worst with the yeast, realize that they've been making beer since long before our great great great grandfather copped his first buzz from a 40 of mickey's out back of the highschool, so they are the experts.

Yeasts are like teenagers, swmbos, and humans in general, they have their own individual way of doing things.

So it's best not to try, and also not to worry about things, based on what you might experience.

So bottom line, if it's still below 72 hours since you pitched, then relax. :mug:
 
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