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fatbloke

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I don't really want to include this in the recipes, because it's not very original and there are a lot of variables.

To give credit where due, my Mother copied this out from the "Gales" Honey Book (Gales might have been a family concern originally, but now it's just a brand belonging to the "arch Food Nazis", Nestle (that should be an accented e on the end, but I can't work out how to get the character)).

Anyway, basically it's 1.5 to 1.75 Kg/3 to 4 lb of "set" (a.k.a. crystalised) honey, 600 ml/1 pint of cold tea (Black tea indian or chinese, but black, not green), a campden tablet, a citric acid tablet, water to 4.5 litres/1 gallon and either "wine yeast compound" or "special mead yeast" and yeast nutrient.

Ok, so I mentioned variables. Differing types of honey aren't so easy to get here in the UK (they're available in some places but usually prohibitively expensive), so I just use normal, 1 lb/454g retail jars of "runny" Honey, from the local Supermarket. I don't heat this, apart from slightly warming it to make it easier to remove from the jars. Mainly because it will have already been filtered and pasteurised for retail sale.

Obviously it's blended (produce of more than one EU country, no less) and unremarkable.

The tea ? well I'm sure you're aware there are many different kinds of black tea. Names like "Oolong", Orange Pekoe and Earl Grey to name but a few. I'd guess that you could use Earl Grey, but the bergamott in the tea may cause uncalculated/unexpected flavours. I just happen to have some teabags that are blended/produced for a Catering supplier, from Preston, in Lancashire (Lancashires where the in-laws come from, so they prefer Lancashire type products - and that the best thing about Yorkshire is the road out of the place - their words, not mine. Anyway........).

I use 2 teabags per 600ml/1 pint, so it makes a good, strong, dark brown tea. That gets a slight "tanin film" on top of the liquid when it's cold.

The campden tablets ? well I suspect that we're familiar enough with those.

I don't use boiled water normally. I use bottled spring water. Basically because it doesn't have any chlorine/chloramine in it.

Citric acid tablets ? Well I keep forgetting to buy some, so I used the juice of 1 lemon the first time I tried this recipe, but on this occassion, as I suspect it's only the citric acid element thats required, I used bottled lemon juice at a ratio of 2 tbsp's per gallon.

As for "wine yeast compound" or specialised mead yeast/nutrient? Well it seems that mead yeast is no longer available (I believe there used to be one available from Gervins, but they now suggest a general purpose wine yeast).

So on this occassion, I split the wort/mash/must/whatever it's really called, into 3 x 1 gallon glass jars. I'd already added Gervin Yeast Nutrient (I can post the content of the yeast nutrient if anyones interested) and Yeast Nutrient vitamin B1 tablets, as per the instructions per gallon.

The actual yeast ? Well I been getting my info from Ken Schramms' book "The Compleat Meadmaker" (ISBN 0-937381-80-2) and C.J.J. Berrys' "First Steps in Wine Making" (ISBN 1-85486-139-5). The Ken Schramm book is quite "sciencey", but not with that many recipes and the C.J.J. Berry book is very general, with only 2 or 3 recipes for mead.

The Berry book only suggests "all purpose" wine yeast and nutrient, whereas the Ken Schramm book goes into some detail. I noted down all his suggestions as to which yeasts he'd tried only to find that most of them are either discontinued (apparently) or just not available in the UK. One range that is, well in part, are the Lalvin products. So I dug around to see what I can get and ended up with K1V-1116 (all purpose), EC-1118 (a champagne yeast) and 71B-1122 (described as "nouveau"/"narbonne").

Hence the 3 x 1 gallon batches, to see which of them tastes the best at the end of fermentation (and therefore, which is likely to be drinkable the quickest - Ken Schramm did point out in his book that mead can often taste a little like "Listerine" when it's still "green").

I wanted to do that, because so far, all my attempts with mead, have been made with variations of the "dry mead" recipe from the C.J.J. Berry book but using "Youngs - Dessert/ High Alcohol Wine Yeast". Which, due to it's apparent ability to handle high levels of alcohol/sugar etc, has produced mead that does have that "mouth wash" quality.

Though I must add, having basically used the method above with that yeast, the gallon that I racked off yesterday (I needed the flask/demi-john) tasted the best. I reckon it might be ready to try in as few as 6 months.

Oh and I must have had my "head up my arse" yesterday, because I actually bothered to check the specific gravity, prior to pitching the yeast (ha! theres a first time for everything isn't there :) ). It came out at 1120 (if I understand how to read my hydrometer correctly).

I followed the instructions on the yeast as accurately as possible and rehydrated it with about 50 ml of water. It must have worked, because it only took a matter of minutes before the flask with the K1V-1116 yeast to start bubbling. The other two took just a little longer, but all 3 jars were bubbling away happily when I checked first thing this morning.

If anyone is interested in knowing anything else, I'll happily try to answer any Q's, but I now trying to convince my partner Clare, too let me spend £145 (that'd be about 280 to 300 $US) on an electrical still, so I can start having a go at producing my own sugar/yeast/water alcohol (moonshine ???:cross: ) as I can produce 25 litres of 14 to 16% abv alcohol, that will distill down to 5 litres of 60% abv alcohol, ideal for some of those Italian "home made" liqueur recipes like "Limoncello".

regards

fatbloke

p.s. Oh and the above batch of mead wasn't only made to test a couple of different yeasts, but also as a cost effective way of getting the glass jars from the honey so Clare can then make various fruit jams/jellies (we ran out of jars after she made some Strawberry and Raspberry Jam, some "english" Marmalade and some "Lemon Curd" - Yum Yum!).
 
Hey dude-

I have to ask a favor- I'm really interested in critiquing/learning from your recipe, but the post is WAY long and complex. I know this reveals that I am very lazy, and for that I am sorry, but -

Can you, like, summarize your recipe in the standard format for us? (Like: X pounds or kilos this type honey, X oz tea, tsp nutrient, etc.)

Thanks,
-Jewbeard
 
3 to 4 lb of "set" (a.k.a. crystalised) honey

Not really sure why you would want to use crystallised honey, since dissolving it will break up the crystalline structure anyway.

1 pint of strong black tea

1 campden tablet

1 citric acid tablet

Water to 1 gallon

Yeast (One batch with each: Lalvin K1V-1116, EC-1118, and 71B-1122)

Gervin yeast nutrient
 
It looks like a good, basic mead recipe. I like your inclusion of the black tea!

Let me know how you like it - especially how the different yeast strains work out. What are they? (Like, their names in English)
 
Thanks for doing the precis flowerysong, saves me doing it.

As for the "set" (a.k.a. crystallised) honey, well thats just what the recipe said, as published in the book that my mother copied it from.

It just happens that I find it easier to use "runny" honey, as it's a damn site easier to remove from the jars i.e. as it's the unremarkable stuff thats stocked in the supermarket (for spreading on toast or maybe sweetening tea/coffee if thats your "thing"). So I prefer to just warm it very slightly, rather than having to give it "a good boiling too". It's already been pasturised for retail sale so theres not much in it that'd need sanitising/sterilising.

The clarification on "tea"? Well you often have a wide choice of products in the US, that doesn't mean to say that you can make the stuff (this isn't meant to sound like criticism by the way). Most of Europe makes tea thats bloody horrible. Never had a "cuppa" made by a non-Brit that tastes like it's supposed to. The usual problems being that the waters either not hot enough or the tea (bag or loose) isn't left in long enough. I'm guessing that the tea addition is to do with the tannin levels. A good strong cup of tea will have all the tannin you'd need. You may be able to find one of the "British brands" - Twining's ( or is it spelled Twinnings ??) do quite well on the international scene - I've enjoyed their "Orange Pekoe" often, but it's not so easy to find in the UK - why ? I don't know.

One of the less "fragrant" Chinese "black" teas would also probably suffice i.e. Oolong, Yunan, or something like that. Green tea doesn't have the tannin levels as it hasn't been fermented/dried in the same way.

But Cap'n Jewbeard is right, it's a basic recipe. I haven't managed to get anal about it yet, certainly not in the way that Ken Schramm describes in his book, though it's an excellent book as it details lots of stuff that other sources of info seem to have omitted.

All three batches are bubbling nicely, though for reasons I don't follow, it's been the K1V-1116 thats showed the most activity, and started bubbling the quickest, followed by the EC-1118, and then the 71B-1122. The must has also lightened in colour the most with the K1V-1116 as well.

Weird, seeing as the must was made as a 3 gallon batch and only split up into 1 gallon quantities, just before I pitched the yeasts one at a time (with in a minute or so of each other).

Ah well, the whole point is to evaluate the yeasts - well the main idea is to see which tastes best immediately after the fermentation has finished, because if it's drinkable then, I shouldn't have to age it so long - well thats the plan anyway.

I am hoping to have a go at some made with fruit juices as well, because the soft summer fruits are just coming into season - plus, as I'm a professional driver, I spend half my working day spotting elderberry trees/bushes, and whether they are close enough to a roadside layby where I can take a break, park the truck and "pillage" the bush/tree :D - A case of working out if I can pick enough for a batch of "elderberry mead" and a batch of "normal" elderberry wine.

regards

fatbloke!

p.s. Plus I'm trying to find the £150 (about 290$US) so I can buy the electric still that the local home brew shop sells, then it'll be time to make some "shine" (a bargain, as the sugar/yeast/finings etc come to about £10/19$US and make about 5 litres of 60% abv)!
 
Has anyone used herbal teas (chamomile, green, fruit, etc.) to make a methaglin? I'm thinking about trying one out, after I perfect my traditional mead recipe. Once I get a basic mead to the level where I want it, I'm going to start adding different elements to it. Has anyone here made a meth and actually let it age a while? I'm wondering about the final flavor profile, whether the taste comes through and how much tea to add. Thanks!

mike
 
zoebisch01 said:
Speaking of Tea, this is where I get mine: www.uptontea.com.
Well apart from the allegedly "english" brands (the use of London street names etc - to give them added authenticity. And no I've never seen any of them available here in UK), any of the Indian or Chinese black teas should (theoretically) do the job brilliantly.

It's nice to see that they provide temperatures etc. Thats one of the points that we Brits, presume all you "colonials" and general "Johnny Foreigners" :D get wrong.

About 20 or so years ago, I met the bloke who runs this company (actually he was the father of the current CEO - and yes, I find it quite funny that they i.e. the company, probably dealt with the Boston tea dealers, prior to the "party", the company having been in existence for longer than the US ;) ). I digress.

It was "his" influence that stopped me taking sugar in tea (and later coffee), but he did explain, that when you pour hot water (often boiling) on the tea, it shouldn't be boiling, but just below for the best flavour. 1 or 2 degrees C (2 to 4 degrees F) below boiling (98/99 degrees C or 208 to 210 degrees F) otherwise it can scorch the tea causing a slight background bitterness, which isn't quite whats desired (unlike coffee - but then again, if you believe the advertisers, the US makes wonderful coffee, wrong, it's the Italians who make the best coffee, followed by the Arabs. IMO of course).

Though to be honest, I'm not that obsessed as to worry too much about the "exact" water temps for tea making, just that the water is boiling when poured on the tea. Then I just let it go cold. Stewed nice and strong, with all that lovely tannin thats needed for some mead recipes.

I suppose we could easily go on and on about it - though I suspect it's not quite as critical to the finished brew as the yeast used, hence my experiment of using 3 different ones (during this batch anyway).

Luckily, I found a few more possible sources of different yeasts that are UK specific (I do sometimes feel a little jealous of the brilliant choice/variation you enjoy in the US - ah well, I don't suppose I can't have everything).

I suppose part of my idea is not only to work out which is the best/easiest yeast to use, but to work out a straight forward recipe that will make a reasonably drinkable mead from easily available ingredients i.e. if I could work out a recipe that didn't need brewing nutrients and slightly specialist substances like that it'd be brilliant - just to be able to go to the local supermarket and get nearly all the ingredients off the shelf (except possibly the yeast), and thereby encourage others to have a go.

Afterall, I don't think it should be that difficult, given that there are such historical/ancient links to the making of mead!

Enough rambling on for now.

regards

fatbloke
 
Just finishing off a batch of "Barshack Ginger Mead" as recommended by Homebrewer_99 - it's apparently taken from "Papazian's" book.

My only change to the recipe was because I couldn't get any corn sugar (the recipe asked for 1.5lbs of it). I had to use "normal" i.e. table sugar. Which if I'd done my research properly would have 1lb 2oz of the table sugar. I didn't as it didn't occur to me that there'd be too much difference.

I'm guessing that it'll be a bit sweeter than expected though as I used a full 6oz of ginger (the maximum suggested) I doubt that there'll be much in the way of a possible "cidery" taste too it.

The recipe sounds good, and if the end produce tastes as good as suggested next time I'll copy it exactly i.e. get some corn sugar in.

I'm just wondering though, because the recipe says about racking to a carbouy by 3 days at the latest. So I'm presuming that that means that any yeast sludge that forms within the 7 days is left out of the carbouy.

I'm also intending to give it a good stirring before I pitch the yeast (I'm currently waiting for it too cool enough i.e. the 70 or so degrees F suggested in the recipe).

I guess I'll have to put the appropriate amount of campden tablets into it when it's finished. Plus I haven't decided yet whether to see if I can make it sparkling or not.

Ha! I'm feeling quite smug with my progress as in relative terms, I'm gonna be a complete novice at this for some years to come.

regards

fatbloke :mug:
 
Ha, I've got to say that the "standard" American cuppa joe is pretty sad. It's been slowly changing, with the resurgence of coffee houses that base their business on good, strong coffee. My mom's something of a coffee snob, and if it isn't at Starbucks level, it ain't worth drinking ;).

That being said, most of the inspiration for "good" coffee in the US comes from Europe. Can't say I've had arabic coffee, myself.
 
RadicalEd said:
Ha, I've got to say that the "standard" American cuppa joe is pretty sad. It's been slowly changing, with the resurgence of coffee houses that base their business on good, strong coffee. My mom's something of a coffee snob, and if it isn't at Starbucks level, it ain't worth drinking ;).
Ah! well, even Starbucks could do with considerable improving. I've noticed that they are now selling both beans and pre-ground "Starbucks Blend" in my local supermarket - I'm not gonna touch it - it's over priced IMO, more expensive than my regular coffee - I'm certainly not gonna buy it just because it's got a "brand name". I'll stick to my usual i.e. Lavazza Gold (and when I can actually find the time to get to the coffee shop i.e. Roast/Sell, not make and sell - if you see what I mean. Anyway, if I can get there, it's a 50 50 mix of mocha and continental - not sure if you'd find the continental named like that, it might be "after dinner" or some other spurious name - basically a French, dark roasted blend. I got that idea from a friend of the family who spent 3 years drinking it while studying for his second degree (yes, both "Firsts", political history and then Medicine), he's very reliable and so, as I found out, is his taste in coffee :D ).
That being said, most of the inspiration for "good" coffee in the US comes from Europe. Can't say I've had arabic coffee, myself.
Arabic a.k.a. "Turkish" coffee. Made in an "Ibriq" (I think thats how it's spelled), very, very strong, black and exceptionally sweet. Manners apparently dictate that you offer your guest the bubbly bit off the top - and don't forget, not to try and drink the grounds in the bottom of the cup. Oh and served in small glasses (a bit smaller than a US shot glass). The coffee will sometimes have a cardomom flavour as well.

It's very good - IMO of course.

regards

fatbloke
 
I've had some tasty mead made with coffee, but you have to balance the bitterness of the coffee with the sweetness of the honey. Tricky, but do-able.
 
NurseNan said:
I've had some tasty mead made with coffee, but you have to balance the bitterness of the coffee with the sweetness of the honey. Tricky, but do-able.
Don't suppose you have a recipe for it do you NurseNan ???

regards

fatbloke
 
I shall enquire of the gentleman in question if he will part with his recipe...It is fabulous after dinner, though he hords most of it for breafast on camping trips.
 
NurseNan said:
I shall enquire of the gentleman in question if he will part with his recipe...It is fabulous after dinner, though he hords most of it for breafast on camping trips.
excellent, thanks.

regards

fatbloke
 
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