ipscman
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I know I can add corn sugar to the glass after pouring in my very dry 84% attenuated Ordinary Bitter. Any other suggestions, ideas? All bottled and conditioned already.
I'd say just enjoy it for what it is. Get past the numbers, etc. If it's really an issue, adding a pre-determined (small) amount of sugar to each glass before pouring might be a solution, but in truth I've never heard anything like that before. I can't imagine a beer would be so bad/over-attenuated as to require such an action. Over-attenuation in and of itself, and especially in a bitter (1.007 FG), normally wouldn't be a cause for adulterants.
Out of curiosity, what was your recipe? What strain of yeast did you use? Extract, all grain?
Seems like there is something wrong with sweetening a bitter.
Adding sugar to a carbonated beer is an explosive proposition, although it is great for making volcanoes.
Unless you want to blend beers, I think you might be stuck with what you have. How old is the beer? If you are drinking it green, aging should improve your beer a lot.[/QUOTE
I did try blending with a Chocolate/Vanilla Porter and that worked real well. Only problem is I'm out of that so trying another approach. Not that old but was in pprimary for 6 weeks or so. Also fermented at higher temps than recommended due to a diacetyl rest for another fermentation in same room.
Live and learn.
Like lactose?
All grain; Wyeast London ESB 1968 (ave. atten. 69% - I actually got 85%). Problems developed when it sat in primmary for 6 weeks. My bad.
Recipe:
7lb U.S. 2-row
.5lb Crystal 120
.5lb Melanoidan
.5lb Wheat Malt
.25lb Biscuit Malt
.25 Victory Malt
1.25 oz Fuggles (60 min)
.5 oz Goldings (30 min)
.5 oz Willamette (dry hop 7 days)
I think I also screwed-up by raising the temp for another brew in the same small room to 75% for a Diacetyl rest). Seems like combination of overlong primarry plus high temp caused overattenuation.
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P.S. Very soft water here - like Pilzen. No additives.
I added a 1/2 teaspoon of turbinado to a bit of the beer in a glass, let it settle and added rest of bottle. Sweetened it right up.
What was your finishing gravity? A half teaspoon of sugar seems like an awful lot in one glass of beer. That'd be like sweetening a bitter to stout levels and beyond.
EDIT: Leaving it the primary/raising/lowering temps in and of itself won't take a 69% strain and push it to 84%. That would require a very high proportion of fermentables.
Some yeast strains are notorious for producing diacetyl, and for brewers in a hurry, a diacetyl rest is recommended. I've never heard of one at 75 degrees, because usually it's lager yeast that need the diacetyl rest. Several ale strains produce diacetyl, too, of course, but usually it doesn't require a diacetyl rest.
"Cleaning up" diacetyl is a function of the yeast, and raising the temperature for the diacetyl rest is the quickest way to get them to clean up the diacetyl. However, it's not the only way. Given enough time at fermentation temperatures, the yeast will still clean up the diacetyl. When they've eaten all the "easy" stuff (maltose, simple sugars), they well then digest the other not-so-desirable stuff.
Even a lager, at 50 degrees in primary, will usually have no diacetyl flavor if given enough time to clean it up. That's one of the reasons I always pitch a big starter at optimum fermentation temperature in a lager (or even most ales)- because the yeast will produce less diacetyl to begin with, and then clean it up when done with fermentation.
Wyeast Q&A said:Some beers will benefit from a diacetyl rest (allow yeast to absorb diacetyl) post fermentation. This typically involves allowing the beer to rest at 60-70F for 24-48 hours after reaching terminal gravity.
Pelikan said:FYI: No need to raise temps for the diacetyl rest. Just leave it in the primary for 3 weeks.
+1 Avoid the hot temps. Do an extended primary at normal ferm temps and pull your nose out of the books.
For starters, though, you're not brewing a lager.
MY BAD: I was doing a diacetyl rest on a lager in the same room and because I was using one room for too many things I ended-up high. Poorly explained on my part for sure.
I never said at any point to avoid a rest; indeed, I'm fairly certain I recommended it somewhere earlier in this thread.
Here is what I was responding to:
FYI: No need to raise temps for the diacetyl rest. Just leave it in the primary for 3 weeks.
EDIT: Yup, I did, a few posts up:
Now then, regarding the water, a number of things could impact your level of dissolved solids. My town reports 78 ppm, and as I mentioned I'm getting 146 on a calibrated meter. This could be from any number of things: leeched nutrients from local farms, in-ground septic tank, pipes in the house, etc etc. $11 is very cheap insurance.
Excellent points. makes total sense that many other issues come into play. I really appreciate that point. I simply don't know much about the water issue so TDS is something I have to learn more about.
If you want to go all out, get an RO/DI machine, and/or brew with distilled water and add minerals. This is what I've been doing, with fantastic results.
RO is probably beyond my means at this point but I'll consider it.
What's one of the most important things I've learned while on Homebrew? Most of the books out there contain outdated, pedantic, and/or misleading information. You should cross-check on here, as Homebrew is a treasure trove for the latest, up to date, tried and true info.
Either way, I'm just trying to help. No need to get defensive.
Pelikan said:FYI: No need to raise temps for the diacetyl rest. Just leave it in the primary for 3 weeks.
ipscman said:The technology and understanding of brewing hasn't changed much. It's really pretty basic.
Wyeast Q&A said:Some beers will benefit from a diacetyl rest (allow yeast to absorb diacetyl) post fermentation. This typically involves allowing the beer to rest at 60-70F for 24-48 hours after reaching terminal gravity.
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