greenfrog5
Well-Known Member
I've brewed 11 beers so far. All beers are extract + grains, partial-boils. My 2nd beer (kit pale) had an off-flavor that I never could really describe. Girlfriend said cardboard, her father said banana, I never really thought those fit, more like flat wet dog. It was drinkable but not good. All other beers after that have been fine (some great, some ok, but nothing bad like this).
Now, batch 10 has the same flavor. Its a different pale recipe (Haus Pale), done in a different kitchen/apartment, but the flavor was instantly recognizable. Girlfriend's father said banana again, but I took it to the LHBS and he identified it as bacterial infection. In fact, it foamed up enough for him to diagnose it 1 second after popping it. Then smelled and tasted it to confirm. He said sour, but I don't really taste it as sour either. It foamed up quite a bit, but not like regular over carbonation. I've never seen/noticed that before from the other infected batch. I did notice a slight oil slick on this beer when I bottled it, but I don't remember tasting/recognizing this off-flavor at bottling time. Online research suggested it could be from StarSan, or hop oils, etc. so I didn't think too much of it.
The store owner ran through my cleaning and sanitation procedure trying to help troubleshoot. He mentioned some things that I wasn't sure about, so hope some here can help me straighten things out. I'll try to outline my procedure in detail to avoid the inevitable follow-up questions.
Vinyl hose, auto-siphon, plastic racking cane, plastic spring-tip bottling wand
Plastic bottling bucket (only one, used for all batches)
Bottles, all from commercial-bought beer, mostly used once or twice for homebrew
Glass carboys
After using equipment I rinse everything out ASAP with hot water, and wipe down with sponge (might have some dishsoap residue, but not really soapy) and rinse with hot water.
Often, but not always, depending on how dirty, I soak my small/plastic equipment in OxyClean-Free for an hour or few, then rinse. I do this either before or after using, and feel I should be more consistent about doing this always.
I clean the carboy by soaking in OxyClean and rinsing until clean. I rarely use the Carboy Brush on it anymore, as the Oxy makes it clean.
Bottles are originally soaked in OxyClean to strip labels. Immediately after drinking homebrew I rinse them out a few times hot water/swirl/dump/repeat. If the bottom is clean, they go to dry, if there is gunk, a hot water soak until clean. I rarely need to use a bottle brush on them, as soaking fully cleans the residue.
Bottling bucket gets a quick wipe before use, then StarSan spray/fill, drain through the spigot. Equipment that is visibly clean then goes in a tray full of StarSan for a while to sanitize. I have a spray-bottle of StarSan on hand too, which I refresh every few times I brew (monthly, or so) and periodically check for pH <3.0 and clearness.
Things that LHBS suggested:
Don't use OxyClean. Use sodium percarbonate instead. Oxy is 'similar' to PBW but not good enough. Sodium percarbonate is 'similar' to both, but better than Oxy?
I must use a brush to clean the carboy and bottles to remove/prevent beerstone. I wasn't aware of beerstone, and had trouble confirming it formed on bottles and carboys?
Obviously, toss plastic equipment (tubing). Do I need to replace the auto-siphon, cane and bottling wand and bucket too? I'm looking into a SS racking cane, and a siphon alternative. Plastic sucks, and I want to regularly replace as little equipment to avoid worry and risk.
I understand the casual rinse of drank bottles, and mere soak of the carboy are minimal, but I understood them to be fairly common practice without much issue. If you don't see stuck muck, don't worry about it?
I've tried to cover my major process, but I'm sure I've left something out, so please help me pinpoint my likely mistakes, and interpret the advice I've gotten.
Thanks
Aaron
Now, batch 10 has the same flavor. Its a different pale recipe (Haus Pale), done in a different kitchen/apartment, but the flavor was instantly recognizable. Girlfriend's father said banana again, but I took it to the LHBS and he identified it as bacterial infection. In fact, it foamed up enough for him to diagnose it 1 second after popping it. Then smelled and tasted it to confirm. He said sour, but I don't really taste it as sour either. It foamed up quite a bit, but not like regular over carbonation. I've never seen/noticed that before from the other infected batch. I did notice a slight oil slick on this beer when I bottled it, but I don't remember tasting/recognizing this off-flavor at bottling time. Online research suggested it could be from StarSan, or hop oils, etc. so I didn't think too much of it.
The store owner ran through my cleaning and sanitation procedure trying to help troubleshoot. He mentioned some things that I wasn't sure about, so hope some here can help me straighten things out. I'll try to outline my procedure in detail to avoid the inevitable follow-up questions.
Vinyl hose, auto-siphon, plastic racking cane, plastic spring-tip bottling wand
Plastic bottling bucket (only one, used for all batches)
Bottles, all from commercial-bought beer, mostly used once or twice for homebrew
Glass carboys
After using equipment I rinse everything out ASAP with hot water, and wipe down with sponge (might have some dishsoap residue, but not really soapy) and rinse with hot water.
Often, but not always, depending on how dirty, I soak my small/plastic equipment in OxyClean-Free for an hour or few, then rinse. I do this either before or after using, and feel I should be more consistent about doing this always.
I clean the carboy by soaking in OxyClean and rinsing until clean. I rarely use the Carboy Brush on it anymore, as the Oxy makes it clean.
Bottles are originally soaked in OxyClean to strip labels. Immediately after drinking homebrew I rinse them out a few times hot water/swirl/dump/repeat. If the bottom is clean, they go to dry, if there is gunk, a hot water soak until clean. I rarely need to use a bottle brush on them, as soaking fully cleans the residue.
Bottling bucket gets a quick wipe before use, then StarSan spray/fill, drain through the spigot. Equipment that is visibly clean then goes in a tray full of StarSan for a while to sanitize. I have a spray-bottle of StarSan on hand too, which I refresh every few times I brew (monthly, or so) and periodically check for pH <3.0 and clearness.
Things that LHBS suggested:
Don't use OxyClean. Use sodium percarbonate instead. Oxy is 'similar' to PBW but not good enough. Sodium percarbonate is 'similar' to both, but better than Oxy?
I must use a brush to clean the carboy and bottles to remove/prevent beerstone. I wasn't aware of beerstone, and had trouble confirming it formed on bottles and carboys?
Obviously, toss plastic equipment (tubing). Do I need to replace the auto-siphon, cane and bottling wand and bucket too? I'm looking into a SS racking cane, and a siphon alternative. Plastic sucks, and I want to regularly replace as little equipment to avoid worry and risk.
I understand the casual rinse of drank bottles, and mere soak of the carboy are minimal, but I understood them to be fairly common practice without much issue. If you don't see stuck muck, don't worry about it?
I've tried to cover my major process, but I'm sure I've left something out, so please help me pinpoint my likely mistakes, and interpret the advice I've gotten.
Thanks
Aaron