I made a batch of cider with Windsor brewing yeast ( beer ) and it came out great. Still sweet , a little tart, and good apple cider flavor. Besides my experiment with turbo yeast which came out nasty , I have been using EC-118 champagne yeast...which comes out ok but dry and tart. So far the brewing yeast came out the best tasting. I used 3 gallons of musselmans cider off the shelf at wal mart and one packet of the windsor yeast and 6 days till it stopped bubbling. Thats a cheap and simple recipe for anybody just starting out. It should only get better as it ages.