hey misplaced i am just making 1 gallon batches! gotta find the right combo i like for cider. I tried making a starter being this yeast had been sitting for 3 months + and well i just checked on it and the yeast is pretty much dead no activity what so ever. I put my yeast nutrient in my starter just to give them a kick in the butt,you know. but nothing after 6 hrs on the stir plate. so it looks like i will be using the old stand-by ..us-04! Cheers!! oh and thanks for that link i wrote it to give a shot.