pcolson
Well-Known Member
I recently had a beer named hoegarden or something like that it was a belgian whit beer i was wondering if anyone knew a clone for it? i looked on beertools.con found nothing... stuff is really good...
As in flaked wheat? Put this in beersmith terms for me pleasethe key is in the unmalted wheat, i think.
As in flaked wheat? Put this in beersmith terms for me please
no, unmalted wheat. raw, unmalted wheat.
you'll have to add it to beersmith but first you have to find it...
torrified wheat is as close as i can get at my LHBS, but it has made an incredible difference in my wheat beers. gives it a brilliant wheat flavor.
the key is in the unmalted wheat, i think.
Go to any health food store and they should have several different types of raw bulk wheat
Is a separate mash required for unmalted wheat? I heard on the Jamil show that a separate mash (coupled with boiling the cereals) with a decoction is required. Is that right?
Museums use wheat starch as a glue, and once you mash in you'll see why. Start with a loose mash using two quarts of water per pound, and plan on using an extended protein rest (45 mins-1 hour) at anything between 117 and 126 degrees farenheit. This is how the Belgians do it, and you'll be amazed at how the proteolytic enzymes work a mess of wallpaper paste into a light, workable mash. Never has the miracle of mashing been better demonstrated.
The white beer protein rest offers a tradeoff. If you run the rest longer (1 hour) you'll get an easily spargeable mash, but the final beer may be clearer and less colorful than you want beer; rests of 45 minutes or less give wonderful color, but can be sticky to lauter. Personally I use 45 minutes and watch the lauter tun carefully. If you're willing to sacrifice some authenticity, you can substitute several pounds of malted wheat for a portion of the unmalted variety.
Amount Item Type % or IBU
6 lbs Wheat Liquid Extract (8.0 SRM) Extract 80.00 %
8.0 oz Aromatic Malt (26.0 SRM) Grain 6.67 %
8.0 oz Oats, Malted (1.0 SRM) Grain 6.67 %
8.0 oz Wheat, Flaked (1.6 SRM) Grain 6.67 %
1.00 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00 %] (60 min) Hops 14.1 IBU
0.50 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00 %] (30 min) Hops 5.4 IBU
0.50 oz Hallertauer [5.90 %] (5 min) (Aroma Hop-SHops -
0.25 oz Orange Peel, Bitter (Boil 30.0 min) Misc
0.50 tsp Coriander Seed (Boil 5.0 min) Misc
0.50 oz Orange Peel, Bitter (Boil 5.0 min) Misc
0.75 tsp Coriander Seed (Boil 30.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs Belgian Wheat Yeast (Wyeast Labs #3942) Yeast-Wheat
Steep grains as desired (30-60 minutes)
Death,
Could you update us with the status of this beer when you brew it? I am curious about the unmalted wheat. I have heard it does great things for wheat beers but am hesitant to use it due to potentially complicated mashing.
ya know, i wonder if they use something to lighten the body...i have half a mind to add a pound of flaked maize to this batch...
EDIT: looks like they may use a smaller percentage of wheat to get the lighter body. maybe i'll only go with 50% wheat and 50% pilsner...
i was talking to my friend about the color and really pilsner has too much.
ok, i'm gonna buy the ingredients in an hour or so. i've already got all the spices from when i did my black wit.
i was talking to my friend about the color and really pilsner has too much. i may change my mind when i talk to my main man at the shop, but i think i'm gonna go with the following:
5.5 gallon batch @ 75% efficiency (1.045 OG, 1.010 FG)
protein rest at 122°F for 30 minutes
saccarification rest at 150°F for 60 minutes
2.25 lbs belgian pilsner
2.25 lbs belgian pale
2.25 lbs white wheat
2.25 lbs torrified wheat
2 oz styrian goldings 1.9% @ 60 min
1 oz styrian goldings 1.9% @ 10 min
0.50 oz coriander
0.25 oz cumin (too much?)
0.25 oz bitter orange peel
0.25 oz sweet orange peel
WLP400
yay!
i don't know what i was thinking about the pilsner vs. pale. i was looking at gravity points or something and got screwed up. what we were talking about was the haziness and how the pilsner/pale will take away from the haziness.
anyway, i went with:
4.50 lbs pilsner
2.25 lbs torrified wheat
2.00 lbs white wheat
0.25 lbs acid malt
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