The fact that this is even being disscused is kind of like having a serious debate over the musical accolades of vanilla ice.
I know right, how could anybody doubt the awesomeness of either. A night of Bud Light and Vanilla Ice would make for the best weekend ever. Throw in some Pauly Shore movies and I don't even want to think of how much fun would be had.
There are way too many really good craft beers I don't have the time or $ to try, to waste time on these.
I want to grow up to be Inbev!
Darth vader, Hitler, and Satan might get together and make a fantastic beer, but at some point wouldn't you say "I would rather not give my money to pure evil"?
As I have said: F()CK INBEV AND THE *****EY BREWERY THEY RODE IN ON.
SO SAY WE ALL.
Are we talking malted or flaked brew fairies?...So if yeast provides fermentables, what do brew fairies do?
I can't get emotional about any of this. I don't know how to respond to that kind of comment.
If the beer tastes good I'll drink it. I'm assuming InBev/Bud operates within the law. I see no problem here.
Maybe I just have different priorities than some on here. For me, it's exceedingly simple: If it's good, I'll drink it. If InBev makes it, that's not my problem... that's the craft breweries' problem. Step up your game. Vice versa holds true: If a craft brewery makes it, then that's what I'll drink. I do have morals and I do try to support the local communities and the "little guy", but if InBev makes something that appeals to me, I'm not going to hold out on it just to prove a point. That being said, being a craft beer lover, my first stop is always a craft beer shop. I am always willing to try something new, and that INCLUDES something that InBev may make.
monsanto also opperates within the law -the only problem is that they also make them.
metanoia said:...These people get pissed off because InBev is out to destroy the 50% of the marketshare that isn't owned by them. They attack small breweries BECAUSE THEY CAN, because they have the money and 99% of craft breweries don't. Their monopoly on the beer market is the most dangerous threat to craft breweries expanding; craft breweries have boomed since the 1980s, but that still doesn't negate InBev's monopoly.
The general public doesn't buy Budweiser products because they are a superior product, but because they've been trained to think that Bud Light is actual "beer" instead of carbonated yellow water. Marketing is a powerful tool. For Budweiser, it's a free pass to promote themselves further and slap around any breweries that they find threatening.
... they influence (read: make) the laws. I'm afraid to dig any deeper into either industry because I'm sure I'd be even more sickened by how they control the law.
I can't get emotional about any of this. I don't know how to respond to that kind of comment.
If the beer tastes good I'll drink it. I'm assuming InBev/Bud operates within the law. I see no problem here.
InBev is a business... Of course they are going after its competitors! Just the same way that Sierra Nevada will go after New Belgium. It's rediculous to think otherwise!
If the beer tastes good I'll drink it.....
OK!! Lets assume that hitler brings the kettle to a boil by burning jewish babies, really hot.......DO I NEED TO GO ON???????????
At some point you have to account for WHERE THE BEER COMES FROM
metanoia said:Budweiser: "What has to die in order for our beer to stay on top?"
Craft breweries: "What can we do in order to lift our beer up?"
metanoia said:If you want to keep believing that and if it helps you drink Buds, then that's great for you! However, your opinion doesn't change the fact that almost everyone else on here believes otherwise, nor does it change the fact that other breweries do not attack their competitors in the same way that InBev leverages their power to have their way, like a 3-year-old who wants candy. Budweiser isn't going to get all buddy-buddy with another brewery to advance their brand, they're going to offer them boat-loads of money or bring them to court. Craft breweries, on the other hand, are constantly spending time together, sharing hop fields, collaborating on new and interesting brews, passing around yeast.
There is zero comparison between a conglomerate like InBev with even the biggest craft breweries like Sierra Nevada or Sam Adams; apples and oranges my friend.
metanoia said:Dude, I don't have time to be your babysitter and look things up on Google for you. If you want to live in ignorance thinking Goose Island was the first "big" brewery that AB and/or InBev picked up (hint: start with Rolling Rock, Stella Artois) or that Dogfish Head was the only brewery that AB and/or InBev has brought to court (hint: start with the multiple interactions between AB nBev and Budvar), that's awesome for you. I'm going to go wash some yeast now.
If the beer tastes good I'll drink it.....
OK!! Lets assume that hitler brings the kettle to a boil by burning jewish babies, really hot.......DO I NEED TO GO ON???????????
At some point you have to account for WHERE THE BEER COMES FROM
lol You're comparing InBev using it's buying power to take over smaller craft beweries and their market share, to Hitler burning Jewish babies.
Callacave said:Why has craft beer been slowly growing and gaining some ground on the BMC crowd? I know there are many factors, but maybe this cost cutting is having a slight impact?
monsanto also opperates within the law -the only problem is that they also make them.
You're right. Good point. I'm not drinking anything made by Monsanto.
Ab inbev uses the same tactics of manipulating the law as monsanto.As far as not drinking anything made with monsanto products I say good for you, not all of us can avoid products like milk and soda.
"Fascism should be more properly called corporitism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."-Benito Mussolini.
Shall I burn some babies for you?
alane1 said:"Fascism should be more properly called corporitism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."-Benito Mussolini.
Bud makes mostly crappy beer. At least I don't like it. Maybe they are trying to make a better beer. That's what this topic is about. If you want to get all pissy about something you saw in Beer Wars, start your own topic.
I prefer mine smoked.
You have a point. Honestly I forgot that this wasn't the "Inbev killing Beer" thread.
Zamial said:This is what has kept me from posting in this thread. There is no real nice way to put I do not care if it were liquid nectar of the gods, I will never buy any, drink any or even bother to ask, "Does it taste good?" because that would encourage someone else to spend money on it.
You telling me you won't buy bourbon barrel stout from Goose Island?
The fact that this is even being disscused is kind of like having a serious debate over the musical accolades of vanilla ice.
You telling me you won't buy bourbon barrel stout from Goose Island?
Monsanto is a whole can of worms by itself. They pateneted plant genetics, alowing them to call any plant with even a minute amount of a certain genetic sequence. This would make any plant that was polinated by wither open air or insect activity, there property. Forcing small farmers to pay stipends to the royal court of monsanto. It could be argued that eventually all plant products will share a gentic line with monsanto products making them monsanto property, alowing them to fix food costs and supply.
That is evil on a hitler/stalin/lenin/Khmer rouge level.
Inbev is only evil on a monopolizing BOA or wal-mart level.
Comparing the two is kind of pointless. I think budwiser understands that and AB product will be frowned upon by the hardcore "craft beer" community.
I too would assert that home brewing would have more of an effect on craft beers bottom line than budwiser. Most of the ill educated public will continue drinking there product because its what they have always drank and craft beers are too "strong".
For me its a moot point I grow most of my own food in buckets, what i dont grow i buy from a local co op that uses heirloom genetics. I hunt my own meat, buying maybe 20% a year. I even brew my own beer, wine cider and mead. I dont want to be a slave to inc. America and would rather make it buy the sweat of my brow.
now for the naysayers who are gonna jump on the i cant do that boat, I too live in a apartment albiet a rural one [and I only pay 450 a month for rent! so take that too!!]
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