theveganbrewer
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I am very impressed we somehow managed to steer this discussion to an actual recipe. Well done.
I am very impressed we somehow managed to steer this discussion to an actual recipe. Well done.
My cousin's Vegan and I know how much s%^& they take, so I like to make sure she has something special every Thanksgiving. It may not be my lifestyle, but I'm always sure to be respectful of her's and others'. Besides, a weird problem like a vegan/raw foods brew just gives me an opportunity to learn.
I think I'm missing the point. It's one thing to be very careful that your homebrew doesn't have any animal derivatives (most of us are OK there) but the concept of making it conform to raw vegan seems misplaced. I understand (or think I do), the primary motive to sticking to a raw diet, but unless your cousin strictly adheres due to the concept of harmful effects of heating, I think I'd just say hey, this is completely vegan but the brewing process requires boiling if that bothers you. If you find that it does, offer up a hard cider. I keep at least one caffeine free, sugar free soda in my bev fridge for guests that require that, but I'm not going to brew a 60 calorie near beer for dieting alcoholic guests just because I happen to brew beer.
I like it. Personally I wouldn't UV the hop water as I don't see a risk of infection there, so that could be added later. Also you may want to go 2 or 3 hours with that at those low temps. Looks good. Someone would brew this. It should be the OP, for penalty of creating this thread.
Unless someone wants to argue that alcohol is good for you...
I think I'm missing the point. It's one thing to be very careful that your homebrew doesn't have any animal derivatives (most of us are OK there) but the concept of making it conform to raw vegan seems misplaced. I understand (or think I do), the primary motive to sticking to a raw diet, but unless your cousin strictly adheres due to the concept of harmful effects of heating, I think I'd just say hey, this is completely vegan but the brewing process requires boiling if that bothers you. If you find that it does, offer up a hard cider. I keep at least one caffeine free, sugar free soda in my bev fridge for guests that require that, but I'm not going to brew a 60 calorie near beer for dieting alcoholic guests just because I happen to brew beer.
It is a actually simply because honey is an animal product, and vegans don't eat any animal products. But some vegans will eat honey.
Hmm, I fail to see the distinction. Veganism is a lifestyle choice, is it not? The dietary aspect is equally important as the things that are used around the house or worn on the body, aren't they? I wasn't trying to make fun with the sponge statement, rather, make a point. The point being, it seems like a slipperly slope to include everything in the Animal kingdom, because it gets REALLY messy when you have to exclude things like, (maybe a bad example) sponges.
afr0byte said:I'd, personally, edit that to be "some people that call themselves vegans eat honey"
afr0byte said:I guess the posts I don't get in this thread (and in the world at large, for that matter) are the ones that think it's funny to say (I'm paraphrasing) "Hurrr, I'm going to go eat something I think vegans will find especially repulsive." I have to assume the intent is to insult vegans as a whole, but I don't know.
Well, yeah. I guess you could come around with "I hope you get cancer from your charbroiled meat and die!", but why engage lol. It's usually all in good fun. And also usually from fat people
True, there's no reason to engage. I guess I just don't understand how it's funny to say something similar to what I paraphrased.
Well, yeah. I guess you could come around with "I hope you get cancer from your charbroiled meat and die!", but why engage lol. It's usually all in good fun. And also usually from fat people
Well, yeah. I guess you could come around with "I hope you get cancer from your charbroiled meat and die!", but why engage lol. It's usually all in good fun. And also usually from fat people
JordanThomas said:You've said that several times in this thread, which is the only reason I'm pointing it out. Why even stoop to that level?
It may be a little low, especially considering how self conscious people are about their bodies. And I apologize for any hurt feelings. However I will say that out of the thousands of times I've been ridiculed for my diet throughout my life, it had never been by a healthy-figured carnivore. And I know it's because they are projecting/venting their dissatisfaction with how they feel with themselves as a result of their own poor choices on me. The guy who walks up to me at the barbecue with a stick on a plate, always fat. The lady who makes a show out of wrinkling her nose at the salad I'm eating at lunch (which isn't THAT often for gods sake) always fat. So forgive me if I'M a little jaded. It's wasn't easy growing up this way in a redneck community I assure you.
...The lady who makes a show out of wrinkling her nose at the salad I'm eating at lunch (which isn't THAT often for gods sake) always fat....
Well, you did kind of say that you feel hostile toward every vegan you've met. That was on you. I agree that plenty of vegans are real *****ey, particularly the new converts. If you are keeping your body in good shape you get a tip of the hat from me regardless of what your diet is.JordanThomas said:Well I was berated for using my experience as a device for simply sharing my thoughts on the topic earlier in this thread. I won't do the same to you, because I understand where you're coming from. While I love meat, and eat it daily, I am healthy, perhaps even low in weight. I do, however understand what you mean. Working in an office full of obese people has terrible qualities. I also get the "must be nice to be skinny" comments from overweight coworkers while I eat a burger or tacos, and then proceed to witness these same people consume the same, only in LARGER portions! It all comes down to this, though... Not everyone acts that way.
I've been eating more lately, but never been a salad guy. Lots of beans and whole grains. Lots of tofu. I've got some awesome tofu recipes if anyone is interestedafr0byte said:My wife was actually surprised at how few salads I ate when she first met me. I prefer something like steamed veggies (mushrooms and brussel sprouts are nice!) along with beans and some kind of whole grain (quinoa, amaranth, brown rice).
I've been eating more lately, but never been a salad guy. Lots of beans and whole grains. Lots of tofu. I've got some awesome tofu recipes if anyone is interested
Well, you did kind of say that you feel hostile toward every vegan you've met. That was on you. I agree that plenty of vegans are real *****ey, particularly the new converts. If you are keeping your body in good shape you get a tip of the hat from me regardless of what your diet is.
I've been eating more lately, but never been a salad guy. Lots of beans and whole grains. Lots of tofu. I've got some awesome tofu recipes if anyone is interested
I can't stand tofu. I always figured I just didn't like the taste until talking to a vegetarian friend who said I may have an uncommon receptor, and that is why tofu tastes like dirt to me. I guess some people have the same thing with broccoli, if they have the receptor then broccoli is super bitter to them.
Ughh... I need to stop following this thread. I said that because it's true. How is that bad? You painting every meat eater as fat is pretty bad. I wasn't saying every vegan was a jerk. Just all those that I have met. I really don't care anymore.
Bottlebomber is one of the more articulate people I know, so I hesitate to speak on his behalf, but:
Just to be clear, bottlebomber is making claims about people who ridicule him for being a vegetarian, not meat eaters. That's an important distinction in this context.
It may be a little low, especially considering how self conscious people are about their bodies. And I apologize for any hurt feelings. However I will say that out of the thousands of times I've been ridiculed for my diet throughout my life, it had never been by a healthy-figured carnivore. And I know it's because they are projecting/venting their dissatisfaction with how they feel with themselves as a result of their own poor choices on me. The guy who walks up to me at the barbecue with a stick on a plate, always fat. The lady who makes a show out of wrinkling her nose at the salad I'm eating at lunch (which isn't THAT often for gods sake) always fat. So forgive me if I'M a little jaded. It's wasn't easy growing up this way in a redneck community I assure you.
He's out of his mind. I've didn't have as much as a Slim Jim growing up and I'm 6'6" and 245 lbs. No apparent lack of nourishment there.
What does meat provide that a vegetarian diet does not?
I have no idea, but that's not what I said.And how exactly does he KNOW this?
Perhaps you missed this post:MalFet said:Just to be clear, bottlebomber is making claims about people who ridicule him for being a vegetarian, not meat eaters. That's an important distinction in this context.
bottlebomber said:It may be a little low, especially considering how self conscious people are about their bodies. And I apologize for any hurt feelings. However I will say that out of the thousands of times I've been ridiculed for my diet throughout my life, it had never been by a healthy-figured carnivore. And I know it's because they are projecting/venting their dissatisfaction with how they feel with themselves as a result of their own poor choices on me. The guy who walks up to me at the barbecue with a stick on a plate, always fat. The lady who makes a show out of wrinkling her nose at the salad I'm eating at lunch (which isn't THAT often for gods sake) always fat. So forgive me if I'M a little jaded. It's wasn't easy growing up this way in a redneck community I assure you.
I have no idea, but that's not what I said.
Perhaps you missed this post:
...which seems strange because you just linked to it and put the same sentence in bold. :cross:
That is a claim about both those who ridicule him, and meat eaters. My reading comprehension is fine.
Funny thing about that actually. I don't think I ever quoted you except when directly addressed by you. Conversely, you've pulled me into your world three or four times now.I realize that there is a high probability that I'm being trolled. So, I would really just appreciate it if my posts were no longer quoted. I'd rather not have to defend myself every time someone interprets something I said in a way that it was not meant.
I'll let him speak for himself when he comes back on.
Somebody make it happen.
I will PM a few good ones this eveningafr0byte said:Yes, please. I've got ~7lbs of tofu in the fridge (Costco has it cheap, so we buy in bulk).
Not what I ever said though is it. In fact, I specifically noted in a previous post that I suspected that empty carbohydrates were largely to blame for the obesity I see around me. I fact, I specifically noted that these would probably be better off eating a large, protein filled steak rather than, say, 6 little 1 oz bags of chips. I was, as Malfet was able to discern, speaking specifically of those who eat meat AND feel a need to ridicule others for their diet.JordanThomas said:Ughh... I need to stop following this thread. I said that because it's true. How is that bad? You painting every meat eater as fat is pretty bad. I wasn't saying every vegan was a jerk. Just all those that I have met. I really don't care anymore.
To me it tastes sort of earthy when raw.. I can see why someone would think of it as a dirt flavor lol. Most people seem to object to the texture, which is also something that's effected a lot by how you cook if.afr0byte said:Yeah, that's definitely odd, since it basically doesn't have any taste unless you add something else to it via marinade or what not.
You're right, I don't KNOW. And so I accept that refinement on the statements I made. I am not qualified to made psychological diagnoses of why people do things. I will instead say that it often appears to be this way.JordanThomas said:Perhaps you missed this post:
And how exactly does he KNOW this?
You're correct, I am large because of genetics. However, please note that I never said that I am large because of what I eat. I simply defended an accusation that a vegetarian diet is somehow nutrient deficient, and will truncate health. I used myself as an example because I am on the extreme for size, and so this is likely not an accurate statement. I am not making any claims that a vegetarian diet will trump genetics and allow you to grow to six and a half feet tall. Please quote my comment in which I said that meat eaters are usually fat, please. Most of the citizens of the earth eat meat, and are not nearly as obese as what is typical in this country.69Bronc said:Good for you. I am guessing that your family is fairly big, also? Most of my family are very tall. I am 6'8" and some change and run around 210 during running season and about 220 during the off-season. Do I attribute that to my diet? No. I attribute it to the fact that my family members before me were/are very tall. Average height for the ladies runs around 6'2" or so, and average for the guys is around 6'5" or so.
I think that it is funny that you keep insinuating that meat-eaters tend to be fat (yes, you do insert the word "usually", but still). I actually don't know many vegetarians, and no vegans. Of the few vegetarians that I do know, over half of them I would consider to be a bit "chubby". Eating right is part of it. Another big part, IMO, is exercise. Even if you are only consuming veggies, but still wolf down massive amounts of calories and don't do anything but sit on the couch and watch TV, you are probably going to gain some weight.
Taste.
Everything aside, I truly do love vegetarians and vegans. Means more meat for me. :rockin:
JordanThomas said:That is a claim about both those who ridicule him, and meat eaters. My reading comprehension is fine. I realize that there is a high probability that I'm being trolled. So, I would really just appreciate it if my posts were no longer quoted. I'd rather not have to defend myself every time someone interprets something I said in a way that it was not meant.
I will PM a few good ones this evening
Not what I ever said though is it. In fact, I specifically noted in a previous post that I suspected that empty carbohydrates were largely to blame for the obesity I see around me. I fact, I specifically noted that these would probably be better off eating a large, protein filled steak rather than, say, 6 little 1 oz bags of chips. I was, as Malfet was able to discern, speaking specifically of those who eat meat AND feel a need to ridicule others for their diet.
To me it tastes sort of earthy when raw.. I can see why someone would think of it as a dirt flavor lol. Most people seem to object to the texture, which is also something that's effected a lot by how you cook if.
You're right, I don't KNOW. And so I accept that refinement on the statements I made. I am not qualified to made psychological diagnoses of why people do things. I will instead say that it often appears to be this way.
You're correct, I am large because of genetics. However, please note that I never said that I am large because of what I eat. I simply defended an accusation that a vegetarian diet is somehow nutrient deficient, and will truncate health. I used myself as an example because I am on the extreme for size, and so this is likely not an accurate statement. I am not making any claims that a vegetarian diet will trump genetics and allow you to grow to six and a half feet tall. Please quote my comment in which I said that meat eaters are usually fat, please. Most of the citizens of the earth eat meat, and are not nearly as obese as what is typical in this country.
I think you may be trolling yourself.
Well, yeah. I guess you could come around with "I hope you get cancer from your charbroiled meat and die!", but why engage lol. It's usually all in good fun. And also usually from fat people
It may be a little low, especially considering how self conscious people are about their bodies. And I apologize for any hurt feelings. However I will say that out of the thousands of times I've been ridiculed for my diet throughout my life, it had never been by a healthy-figured carnivore. And I know it's because they are projecting/venting their dissatisfaction with how they feel with themselves as a result of their own poor choices on me. The guy who walks up to me at the barbecue with a stick on a plate, always fat. The lady who makes a show out of wrinkling her nose at the salad I'm eating at lunch (which isn't THAT often for gods sake) always fat. So forgive me if I'M a little jaded. It's wasn't easy growing up this way in a redneck community I assure you.
69Bronc said:Per your request.
Like I said, you insinuate the idea. It is not a big deal - I just thought it was funny.
I am a big carnivore, and I am not fat. I guess that my redneck upbringing turned out ok for me.
Those remarks were discussing SPECIFICALLY those who feel a need to antagonize a vegetarian. It's quite obvious that that is what was being discussed.
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