ok started ---5 gallons Welches white grape / peach . 5 lb sugar, red star curvee yeast . 2 teaspon wyeast nutreint, 3 teaspoon pectic enzime.... I didnt get the concentrate because I still would have to buy the water instead of tap.. @ 2.90 a 1/2 gallon took 10 bottles 29.00 bucks.... But its bubbling away