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I'd go all 2-row. Your flavor hops look good. I'd lean more towards the Citra & Amarillo for aroma, but I'd drink that combo no matter how you do it.

Everybody's system, process, quality of hops, etc is going to be different. There'd be a couple ways to approach it being too bitter. One would be backing off the hops or putting them in later. Another would be using a less attenuative yeast or mashing higher. Your hop utilization will...

In my experience kettle sours have had a tendency to downplay the yeast characteristics from various saison yeasts I've tried. I'd be really curious to see how Vermont came out. You may want to blend it with a more attenuative yeast though, since it already tends to have trouble drying out.

I'd have gone with Equinox for sure. It's got a lot of papaya, melony, green apple going on.

I blended those 2 yeasts and hopped lightly with Nelson & Mosaic in an Oatmeal Saison and scored a 44 with it. I re-pitched the cake a couple times and it definitely was different each pitch. Not a particularly stable blend, but fun nonetheless.

Haha. You definitely made it a fairly different animal. Glad it worked out for you.

I think I got a pilot on 001 semi-close to where I want this beer. Batch was 10.5 gal and split on 001 & 100% East Coast Custersianus Brett. 80% brewhouse efficiency. IBUs in Rager. Hop Utilization set at 100%. Mash 154. Ferm on both approx 67. OG 1.048 and finish on both was 1.010. Custers...

For sure. The tricky thing for me on the pro level is this beer is pretty money on 006 and I have yet to brew it on 001 where I was really impressed. Given that we'll be starting out with 090 or 001, 500, a saison blend, and 013 or 028 for the first few waves of beers, SIPA might be on the back...

The original brew was a series of 3 brews, all on almost expired Platinum White Labs strains with no starters, so it probably should be more in the 1.010-1.014 range to be award winning. I will brew a beer very much rooted in this beer at Relentless Brewing, where I'm now the Head Brewer. I'd be...

Yes. Although with Brett it can be a little trickier because it doesn't floc very well.

I use Rager, which will give you a lower number IBU-wise. Also, you may get more hop utilization on a 15 gallon batch.

I ran about 5.5 gallons of Wit beer wort and pitched 2 vials of Brett C. No oxygenation other than the splashing of the fill. The resulting flavor 3 weeks later was a nice tangy flavor. Only a light touch of pineapple. Fairly clean funk-wise. I ended up blending it into a wine barrel of 100%...

You could try a little rye or flaked oats too. Don't underestimate what a yeast that leaves a maltier perception like 006 or 028 can do too.

I've heard you could blow it off if you kegged. Also, apparently some of the pros are using copper to strip out some of those flavors. I suspect time will work for you though.

Yeah, don't assume that because you make crappy beer with crappy kits that you're cursed. Take care of your yeast health (make a starter) and temperatures (water bath or temp controlled space) and you can make damn good beer.

Wyeast says it accentuates the malt profile. Sounds good for an English IPA.

Yeah, I'd wait and taste the beer. You're probably good. I heard Jamil talking about those hops the other day. They sound intriguing.

You're not kidding. The difference between how I feel in the morning if I have 6 or 7 of these versus even a 7% IPA is beyond night and day. :mug:

Version 5 on WLP 008 and hop bursted has been a hit so far among my drinking brethren. Version 4 on the Cry Havoc was a little weird for me. Here's PK5: Recipe Specifications -------------------------- Boil Size: 8.51 gal Post Boil Volume: 6.59 gal Batch Size (fermenter): 5.50 gal...

Thanks Shotty! I tried it out recently on WLP 862 Cry Havoc and it wasn't too bad. I have a hop bursted version on WLP 008 East Coast getting its second dry hop now. WLP 028 Edinburgh worked out pretty nicely on 3 Floyds hoppy Gumball-esque beer I did recently, so I'll probably take a crack with...